[bluGill]

> The fact that you bring up paid work shows you're happy to accept idea that support for things is only worth what people will pay for it. Consider how that fits with corporatization, and consider how that fits with open source in general.

No, I bring up paid work because somebody needs to do the work. Either do the work yourself, or pay someone to do the work.

If you are not willing to do either than shut up: you get no voice. While you can ask someone else to do something, you don't get to force them.

I'm not willing to develop X11. Thus I'm going to let the people who are doing the work do that work even if I don't agree.

[johnklos]

You try to make it either/or in the most overly simplistic way possible. I wonder if you do, in fact, know that it's not a matter of only one or the other, but instead of acknowledging that, you'd rather pretent to be ignorant.

Don't tell me to shut up. That's not very nice, no matter your justification. The open source world is definitely not do it yourself or pay, and everyone else needs to shut up. Again, it's more likely that you know this, but you want to be intentionally antagonistic.

You also neatly avoid discussing what I brought up. These things all make me think you're not participating in good faith.