[olalonde]

Given he preceded that with "I blame the decline of American men" and followed it with "as testosterone rates go down and men start acting like women", it seems that in his worldview, the decline of masculinity started in the 70s. A high school swimming coach from the 1950s or 60s likely wouldn't have permitted a biological male in the women's locker room.

[croes]

But he would have beaten up a gay because he is homosexual, and called a black man a "boy" before going home, getting drunk, and beating his wife.

This is, of course, a condensed depiction.

[olalonde]

Kirk didn't say "I miss everything about the 50s-60s". He did none of those things, nor did he encourage them. Suggesting otherwise is intellectually dishonest, and the spread of such misinformation may have partly contributed to creating the deranged individual who thought he deserved to be murdered.

[croes]

He doesn't need to say it, but for many of his fans the so not so good parts (if you're non white or female) resonate. You do know what a dog whistle is?

And talking about the spread of misinformation, Kirk spread the lie of the stolen election that led to the January 6 riots and caused multiple deaths.

BTW maybe you can comment under some of the other commenters where I try to explain than words aren just words and can cause damage, you seem to have the same opinion, whereby my reach is far below Kirk's so I think I have a much lower risk of creating a deranged individual than people like Kirk have.

[croes]

Have you read was Trump said?

>For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals,"

>This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now."

That from the same guy who painted all immigrans as pet eating, drug trafficking rapists.

But I'm the one accused of spreading misinformation.

Even in his message on TS after Kirk's death Trump can't stay with the truth

>He was loved and admired by ALL, especially me, and now, he is no longer with us.

The first part is obviously nonsense

[olalonde]

Trump or Kirk spreading misinformation is not an excuse for yourself spreading misinformation. No matter his opinions, Kirk was a peaceful, non-violent person.

[croes]

Wait a minute, he spread misinformation about COVID and the „stolen“ election and reaches millions of people but I‘m the bad guy?

He has definitely caused more violence than I.

Kirk and others boost people like those here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-WJN3L5eo

Show one who got influenced by me. That would be really interesting.

That I spread misinformation has to be proven.

He referenced the 50s and 60s on purpose, the good old times and he knows his peers and what the associate with that time period. So he either knew exactly what association he sent with that or he was naive. I don’t think he was naive. Given all what he said there is a clear subtext you try to ignore.

[olalonde]

Anyone who knowingly spreads misinformation is a bad guy in my book. If Kirk did, then that applies to him as well.

> So he either knew exactly what association he sent with that or he was naive. I don’t think he was naive.

I disagree - you're extrapolating from very little. If you take into consideration his whole life and the context of the conversation, it's very clear that he did not believe in violence and did not advocate it.

Does that look like someone who wishes violence against gay or trans people? Be real.

https://x.com/GayRepublicSwag/status/1966219378971889949

https://x.com/LuckyMcGee/status/1966207117767164362

[zahlman]

> That I spread misinformation has to be proven.

But you apparently expect "this is a dogwhistle" to be taken on faith.

This is not a fair, consistent or reasonable standard.