[_DeadFred_]

Russia's invasion of Ukraine, mass kidnappings of children, etc have had much more impact on me. So many people defending Russia, trying to justify Russia's position, or wave it away. If we can't take care of people in the heart of Europe we definitely can't begin to touch things in the middle east.

I don't understand why so many in the west get upset by the Gaza war but are so indifferent/don't care about Ukraine or actively hand waive away concerns and/or loudly say 'I don't care about Ukraine'.

[nylonstrung]

The political unrest comes from the West is actively supporting and funding the ones causing the civilian deaths in Gaza

Whereas they've already contributed billions to supporting Ukraine

You'd see 10x the outrage if for some reason the US was providing Russia the munitions they use on Ukrainian civilians

[_DeadFred_]

Europe buys how much oil/gas from Russia? What income does Russia's economy run on to fund the war? Your argument doesn't make sense. You should see just as many protests over governments funding Russia as we see against Israel if what you say is true.

[nylonstrung]

You're right, both are fueling the murder of civilians

In the case of Israel, western governments (particularly US) are directly transferring arms and military support used against the civilians

This is paid for by taxpayers who receive no economic benefits whatsoever, with minimal negative economic impact from decoupling

[tguvot]

you don't understand, it's different /s

[nylonstrung]

Yes it's obviously different than directly supplying munitions as uncompensated "aid"

It's also different when then ratio of civilian to military deaths is multiple orders of magnitude higher, and ~5x higher in absolute terms despite Gaza having ~5-10% the population of Ukraine

[tguvot]

the only one that europe supplies to uncompensated military aid to, it's ukraine. to russia it simply gives billions of euros that russia later uses to bomb ukraine

about ratio:

- i'll suggest you to take a look at wiki page of siege mariupol. iirc it's up to 75,000 civilian casualties in 3 months

- ukraine actively evacuates civilians.

- hamas said that that well being of civilians is problem of israel and unrwa and actively using civilians as human shields. here is 10 years old analysis that says that it does so in order to shape western opinion https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields....

- ukrainians from day one of war were allowed to seek refuge in europe

- egypt build second wall on border with gaza over past year in order to prevent any refugees crossing and europe talking about any possibility of evacuation of civilians as of ethnic cleansing.

[tguvot]

west (europe) doesn't fund Israel. Didn't really see much support either.

With regards to ukraine, billions contributed are mostly due to personal interest of europe: it cheaper to make ukrainians fight russia than deal with it by itself in case it will decide to reunite with baltics for example