[joz1-k]

I also think this is just a delay, not a final win. Also, this page hasn't been updated yet: <https://fightchatcontrol.eu/>

I recently heard a political discussion about this topic and was disappointed by the lack of technical competency among the participants. What we're talking about here is the requirement to run a non-auditable, non-transparent black box on any device to scan all communications. What could possibly go wrong with that?

[ryandrake]

What does a "final win" even look like? The powers that want this will simply propose it over and over and over until they win once, and then it's basically law forever. The "against" team needs to win every time, forever.

[0points]

It's always just a delay until the next round with these guys.

Chat control has already been voted down more than once in the past.

They will keep at it until they succeed [1]. The playbook was copied from the tobacco & oil industry and perfected by hollywood.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb...

[walterbell]

> keep at it until they succeed

Is there any EU process to codify principles (e.g. Human Digital Rights) that need to be upheld in future attempts?

[0points]

The EU article #8 of human rights [1] is deliberately loosely defined, both sounding nice at the first glance, while allowing for Chat Control style surveillance.

    Article 8 – Right to respect for private and family life

    1. Everyone has the right to respect for his
    private and family life, his home and his
    correspondence.

    2. There shall be no interference by a public
    authority with the exercise of this right except
    such as is in accordance with the law and is
    necessary in a democratic society in the interests
    of national security, public safety or the economic 
    well-being of the country, for the prevention of
    disorder or crime, for the protection of health or
    morals, or for the protection of the rights and
    freedoms of others.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_8_of_the_European_Conv...

[ghusto]

> requirement to run a non-auditable, non-transparent black box on any device to scan all communications

I wasn't exactly thrilled at the prospect of some kind of encryption backdoor, but hearing it put like this genuinely horrifies me. Like a vulnerable keylogger on every device.

[x775]

Just updated.

[boppo1]

I mean, could the solution just be for tech-literate people to red-team the shit out of it and show how vulnerable and stupid it is?

[yonatan8070]

Only if they want to get arrested and silenced.