[ranguna]

That's not what the op asked. They didn't ask whether claude is useful in general, they asked whether it was good compared to other LLMs.

On of the tricks to a healthy discussions is to actually read/listen to what the other side is trying to say. Without that, you're just talking to yourself.

[atonse]

If my tone came off as confrontational, that was not my intent. But I do intend to say this: It seems to me that _you_ are ascribing malice to my comment. I was offering a (admittedly very strong) counterpoint to OP, which was that I do find a ton of value with claude code. It really has been a game changer to our productivity.

Although, based on your response, I did go back to read their original post to see if I missed some nuance, and I did.

They were talking about using the alternate model WITH Claude Code. I didn't know that was an option, and would definitely be willing to try things out (as we all are experimenting a lot these days).

At the end of the day, it's less about Claude Code, but that form of coding. It's not perfect by any stretch, but it has changed my ability to ship features in HUGE ways.

Update: This is not a comment on the technical strength of z.ai, but I would have concerns about it being based in China. This isn't insurmountable, like with companies like Zoom that are Chinese owned but guarantee US-based servers/data/staff, etc. But I suspect that will hold many back. Again, everyone's a grownup here, and I'm sure z.ai already has a plan to address that "weakness" in their value.

[ranguna]

Indeed there was some malice in my comment, because I was micro triggered by yours. I did my best to minimise it tho. In this case, it didn't feel wrong to include it, but I'll try to control myself better next time. As for what caused my micro trigger: it was not because I thought you intentionally omitted answering to the OP's question, but because I actually though you jumped into giving you own opinion after unconsciously not reading the whole question. This leads to very poor discussions sometimes, even if not intentional.

As for what you missed was a nuance (a subtle distinction or variation) or whether it was the main point of the OP's question, I'll leave that up for debate. Imo it was not a nuance at all.

And FYI, this can probably also be interpreted as having malice, which is not the case.

[mkw2000]

If you have concerns about using the China based API their models are open source and can be ran locally

[atonse]

I wondered about that but at least ChatGPT wasn’t able to find anything definitive.