[dukeyukey]

You could say the same argument about food, but the system of privately owned farms moving food via privately owned logistics companies to privately owned grocery shops works very well. Yes, it's the responsibility of the state that it's citizens can acquire their needs, but that doesn't mean it has to be government owned.

[graemep]

The difference being that farmers and logistics companies and shops work in a competitive market where as water in a natural monopoly.

The system does not work perfectly though. In the UK big supermarkets have monopsony power over farmers and smaller farmers are being squeezed out by big farm owners (who tend to have lower standards, especially of animal welfare).

[Ericson2314]

Giving how much subsidies farmers get, and they still whine all the fucking time, I would gladly nationalize them all.

Corn ethanal? Gone. Crazy EU stuff? Gone.

[dukeyukey]

Collectivised agriculture has gone badly enough often enough that I'm wouldn't risk trying it.

[Ericson2314]

I don't think the Soviet and Chinese examples are very relevant, because dealing with a bunch of peasents is extraordinary different from dealing with an agricultural sector that is already industrialized.

Because the massive subsidies we already have the incentive problems too, so it's not like that would be a new can of worms either.

[juuular]

This seems to be working well and is resilient www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDnenjIdnnE

[AngryData]

Subsidies are certainly mismanaged in numerous ways but they are the only alternative to the granary system to maintain reliable and stable food production. We used the granary system for thousands of years across the world and while it kind of worked, it also resulted in numerous famines across every culture.

[andruby]

Just trying to learn more. What "Crazy EU stuff" are being farmed at the moment?

[bilekas]

> Yes, it's the responsibility of the state that it's citizens can acquire their needs, but that doesn't mean it has to be government owned.

Absolutely agree, it may not need to be government owned, however it should absolutely be government funded.

[Cthulhu_]

> the system of privately owned farms moving food via privately owned logistics companies to privately owned grocery shops works very well.

Does it? Food prices are up, millions of people rely on food banks [0], etc. This may not be entirely down to farms or the governmental oversight thereof, but food security is not a given.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/09/britons-vuln...