[cataflam]

I mostly agree and I do use one.

You only need read the whole thread however to see reasons why this would sometimes not be enough: sometimes the password manager does not auto-fill, so the user can think it's one of those cases, or they're on mobile and they don't have the extension there, or...

As a matter of fact, he does use one, that didn't save him, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45175125

[eviks]

> sometimes the password manager does not auto-fill

So pick one that does? That's like its top 2 feature

> he does use one

He doesn't since he has no autofill installed, so loses the key security+ convenience benefit of automatch

[acdha]

> So pick one that does? That's like its top 2 feature

Still doesn’t work 100% of the time, because half of the companies on earth demote their developer time to breaking 1995-level forms. That’s why every popular password manager has a way to fill passwords for other domains, why people learn to use that feature, and why phishers have learned to convince people to use that feature.

WebAuthn prevents phishing. Password managers reduce it. This is the difference between being bulletproof like Superman or a guy in a vest.

[vinterson]

Given recent vuln of password manager extensions on desktop leaking passwords to malicious sites, I have disabled autofill on desktop... And autofill didn't work for me on ycombinator on mobile... Autofill is too unreliable.

[eviks]

You don't need 100%, just a high enough frequency that you wouldn't get used to dismissing the fail on auto pilot. Perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good?

[sunaookami]

Then good password managers will still show you only the logins for that domain. If the login is on another domain then you would have saved it anyways when first logging in/registering and if the site moved then you can get suspicious and check carefully first.

[acdha]

All password managers allow copy-paste (which is what happened here) and the popular ones all offer you the ability to search and fill passwords from other domains. It's important to understand why they do, because it's also why these attacks continue to work: the user _thinks_ they are working around some kind of IT screwup, and 9 times out of 10 (probably closer to 99 out of 100) that's correct. Every marketing-driven hostname migration, every SSO failure, every front-end developer who breaks autofill, every “security expert” who was an accountant last year saying password managers are a vulnerability helps train users to think that it's not suspicious when you have to search for a different variation of the hostname or copy-paste a password.

That's why WebAuthn doesn't allow that as a core protocol feature, preventing both this attack and shifting the cost of unnecessary origin changes back to the company hosting the site. Attacking this guy for making a mistake in a moment of distraction is like prosecuting a soldier who was looking the other way when someone snuck past: wise leaders know that human error happens and structure the system to be robust against a single mistake.

[voxic11]

What are good password managers for chrome and Firefox on Android?

[Ghoelian]

Personally a big fan of 1Password. On the topic of autofill, the only website it sometimes won't fill is Reddit, which you know, whatever, I never go there anymore anyway.

As a developer I also love their ssh and gpg integrations, very handy.

I do get it for free from work, but if I had to choose one myself I'd have to pay for I'd probably still pick 1Passwrod.

[mdaniel]

> I do get it for free from work, but if I had to choose one myself I'd have to pay for I'd probably still pick 1Passwrod.

I wanted to highlight that "getting it for free from work" isn't a sweetheart deal offered just to OP, but a feature of 1Password for Teams, meaning all employees of a business that uses 1Password automatically have a Family license for use at home https://support.1password.com/link-family/

And, for clarity, it's merely a financial relationship: the business cannot manage your Family account, cannot see its contents, and if you have a separation event you can retain the Family account forever in a read only capacity or you can take over the payment (or, heh, I presume move to another employer that also uses 1Password) and nothing changes for your home passwords

[sunaookami]

I use selfhosted Bitwarden (Vaultwarden).

[voxic11]

Mobile autofill requires you to make other security compromises.

[eviks]

Which ones, and how do they compare to this one?

[y1n0]

He didn't say it didn't have the autofill feature, he said sometimes it doesn't work. I've experienced this pretty routinely with two different managers.

[eviks]

Yes he did, read again

> I was mobile, the autofill stuff isn't installed