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by X-Istence 284 days ago
I already pay Apple for storage, please just back up my chats/media to iCloud.
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This BS is why I completely stopped donating to the signal foundation.

The messages are mine, not theirs, and yet they refuse to allow me to handle them how I deem fit.

> The messages are mine, not theirs, and yet they refuse to allow me to handle them how I deem fit.

"They refuse to allow me" meaning "they don't add the features I want for free to the app they provide for free, so I complain".

The messages are yours, of course. But don't forget that you use their work for free. If you're not happy, go use the free work of someone else, I guess?

They are somewhat correct though, Signal has written code explicitly to prevent iOS users from including Signal data in Apple’s encrypted local and/or cloud backups.

Allowing encrypted backups was free for Signal, but they spent time and money to prevent it for iOS users.

Part of the code the wrote to prevent backups in question:

https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS/blob/5590f09c3643f12...

It would be interesting to have Signal's justification for that, but I can totally imagine that it is a security feature.

As in: they may not want their users to inadvertently share their Signal messages with Apple.

Lot's of people have requested justification in related Github issues there, but Signal has not given a clear answer. If there was a security problem with the encryption process I believe a CVE or similar would have been in order because it would affect millions of users.
I was not talking about a security flaw.

I was saying that maybe, Signal did not want to push their users to trust the Apple backup by default.

Signal is a nonprofit foundation, it's not like they are trying to squeeze their users with their own secure backup.

Have you read the article? They are working on it.
Thank you. I should have read to the end, and I'm glad they're planning to support backups stored on their users' media.
Where does it say that?
> Our future plans include letting you save a secure backup archive to the location of your choosing, [...]

I also missed this on my first skim of the article though.

“Our future plans include letting you save a secure backup archive to the location of your choosing”.
Their first cut at "working on it" is to require that we pay Signal to store our backups for us (45 days of media and 100MiB total is not a useful free tier; I have more than 1 GiB of messages/media spanning years), when that's an entirely unnecessary restriction.
I don't know what you do for a living but it's very common when writing and releasing software to do it in phases. Earlier phases have a restricted feature set and feedback from the field/customers/users experiencing earlier phases informs choices in later phases.

Unless you have direct insights into their dev process, your claim that the restriction be "entitely unnecessary" seems overly strong.