[skeeter2020]

who goes a max of 15 km/h on a bicycle? You'd get passed by a very fast runner. I easily go 25+ on my fully loaded bikepacking bike on typical commuting terrain.

also, nit: you don't drive a bicycle

[lostlogin]

> also, nit: you don't drive a bicycle

That bit is about e-bikes. I can get behind that phrasing.

[meiuqer]

On a typical dutch 'omafiets' you ride on average 15km/h. these are bikes that are used for every day trafic.

bikepacking is a completely different way of cycling and has nothing to do with the way people in the netherlands use their bikes.