[pezz]

So how do we curb this voracious appetite of needing to get into every bit (data, apps, ads, other value adds) of being a telco?

I agree with what you're saying, but how do we get to a state where we can have "dumb pipes", yet have an open, privacy driven and easily user controllable OS on a device?

Is there an alternative to always needing to "add value"? Isn't earning our coin off carrier charges, data etc enough?

[podperson]

I think the fundamental problem is the carriers' vertically integrated business model -- Verizon and AT&T want to sell you the phone, the phone service, the data service, the TV service, etc. etc.. From the consumers' point of view we need the actual pipes to be infrastructure then we buy devices that use the pipes, and pay for services that send us stuff over the pipes. But how to get there? Massive government intervention of some kind is probably the only option. Left to the market we'll simply get the biggest most monolithic monopolies that the government allows to form.