[epolanski]

1. Nonsense [1]

2. It's implementation dependent, but of course you lose tracing, etc if you want to just log with language primitives, which is why you shouldn't when every effect system offers you tools to do so. If you want a system where each side effect is traced, monitored and encoded as a recipe, then you use the effectful version.

[1] https://effect.website/play#769a55e0ea0a

[artemonster]

on 1: i want to stab my eyes out. you cant surely implement any monadic and/or effect system on top of any native generators and effect.ts is no exception, but this is just so wrong, buegh on 2: can you please reformulate and elaborate more? i have re-read what youve said 5 times and it feels like gpt written rambling, sorry

[epolanski]

Yes you can, why wouldn't you? It's an implementation detail in any case.

It's fine if you don't understand, when people comment about topics they don't know much about, such as effect systems in your case, it happens.