[jazzyjackson]

Libraries aren’t just anarchist free for alls they are operating under licensing terms. Google had a big squabble with the university of Illinois Urbana Champaign research library before finally getting permission to scan the books there. Guess what, Google has the full text but books.google.com only shows previews, why is an exercise to the reader literally

[gpm]

Libraries are neither anarchist free for alls nor are they operating under licensing terms with regards to physical books.

They're merely doing what anyone is allowed to with the books that they own, loaning them out, because copyright law doesn't prohibit that, so no license is needed.

[lotsoweiners]

Yup. And if Anthropic CEO or whoever wants to drive down to the library and check out 30 books (or whatever the limit is), scan them, and then return them that is their prerogative I guess.

[mdp2021]

Scanning (copying) is¹ not allowed. Reading is.

What is in a library, you can freely read. Find the most appropriate way. You do not need to have bought the book.

¹(Edit: or /may/ not be allowed, see posts below.)

[gpm]

Scanning is, under the right circumstances, allowed in the US, at least per the Second Circuit appeals court (Connecticut, New York, Vermont): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild%2C_Inc._v._Googl....

[rvnx]

They (OpenAI and Anthropic) operate their platform and distributes these copyrighted works outside, where these foreign laws applies

[jrockway]

There are no terms and conditions attached to library books beyond copyright law (which says nothing about scanning) and the general premise of being a library (return the book in good condition on time or pay).

[mdp2021]

Copyright law in the USA may be more liberal about scanning than other jurisdictions (see the parallel comment from gpm), which expressly regulate the amount of copying of material you do not own as an item.

[gpm]

The jurisdictions I'm familiar with all give vague fair use/fair dealing exceptions which would cover some but not all copying (including scanning) with less than clear boundaries.

I'd be interested to know if you knew of one with bright line rules delineating what is and isn't allowed.

[bandrami]

Scanning in a way that results in a copy of the book being saved is a right reserved to the holder of the copyright