[guepe]

This is completely avoided and not my experience. This is only because the leaf is not actively cooled. Most ev do not suffer from such difficult management of battery and have a computer dedicated to cool / heat and keep battery in healthy temps.

They do degrade over time but very, very slowly. Absolutely not like phones. Mine has 25k miles and zero degradation yet.

[formerly_proven]

Even then the Leaf stands out with seemingly unusually high battery degradation compared to the uncooled battery competitors from 2014.

[gambiting]

A VW e-Up(and its siblings, Skoda Citigo EV and Seat Mii Electric) all have passively cooled batteries but owners don't report much if any battery degradation even on the first gen models which are over 10 years old now. I can only assume it's the battery chemistry or cell composition compared to the Leaf. Our own is 4 years old and I haven't noticed any range loss compared to when it was new.

[arpinum]

Could be due to American climate and Leafs getting sold heavily in America. Jeff lives in a place hotter and sunnier than Málaga. Cars can roast in their huge unshaded parking lots with black tarmac.

[dzhiurgis]

Not a battery expert, but I did recently look at using old leaf battery cells to build home battery. Their modules are 2s2p which make them impossible to balance.

[dzhiurgis]

> Mine has 25k miles and zero degradation yet.

Let me guess - Hyundai? They are notoriously lying about degradation.

[guepe]

Rivian I think it’s eating the extra buffer but that also means that the worse degradation that happens in first year is « free ». Then stats are a few percents per 100k miles…. There are articles about stats on long term degradation - it’s a non issue. Buy used if you can in USA - people perceive them as degraded so price is cheap but they don’t degrade fast