[XorNot]

This is as wrong as everytime someone says "the benefit of Bitcoin is you can just walk all your assets across the border!"

It fundamentally misunderstands how foreign exchange works, or how government backed currency works.

You cannot "opt out" of the local currency: period. It is the only currency which can extinguish tax obligations. And even if it wasn't government backed, you can't trade in a currency no one wants in the first place.

This should be trivially obvious from the observation that how much water a gold bar in the desert buys you is going to be pretty highly variable.

[davidlee1435]

Just because badly managed local currency is required for taxes doesn't mean that most people in that country _must want_ to hold it. Plenty of trivially obvious evidence to the contrary

I assume you've never experienced hyper-inflation? If you have, do you think it's fair that you were forced into a hyper-inflationary currency? And, if given the means to, do you think it's fair that people _should_ have the ability to choose?

[XorNot]

That's not the point: the point is "how do you buy the coin in the first place?"

If you live in a place then you have to trade in whatever the local currency is. You didn't "opt in" to a particular stable coin: someone has to be willing to accept that specific coin as payment.

And they can't just exchange it to another: the exchange has to want to sell that coin in exchange for the coin you transact with.

And to interact locally with the government, you need someone who is willing to sell coins in exchange for the currency you don't want.

In practical alternate market economies, the only currency which trades tends to be USD and the exchange rate will be bad because it's a grey market. I would go further and posit that where crypto has any impact, it's people because it's a window into being able to hold USD.

Certainly the only question anyone asks about Tether is whether they actually have the USD to cover their position: no one wants a Yuan based see stable coin.

[davidlee1435]

I think it's pretty easy to buy the coins, regardless of government intervention. Countries (ie China, Nigeria) have tried and failed to restrict access to cryptocurrencies. Whether you get good execution is a separate issue- my point is that stablecoins enable you to execute these trades in the first place.

Agree with the posit- stablecoins grew a lot during periods of strict monetary policy (ie capital outflow from China starting in 2015, hyperinflation in 2023).

Note my original post said disruptive, not good. Meant it in the truest sense of the word; both good and bad comes out of it.

[whimsicalism]

you’ll note that many countries that impose capital controls have large informal economies. this is not a question of theory, there are many countries where millions of people do hold significant sums in dollars and other foreign currencies, regardless of whether they fulfill tax obligation. enough people do this and you also get the informal economy transacting in these currencies. you are “proving” the non-existence of something that in actuality is practiced by millions of people every single day.