[Cthulhu_]

I'd rather be free and my data safe than be an economic world leader. False dichotomy, I know, but I don't mind the people before money mindset.

[flanked-evergl]

This is a false dichotomy, you can have privacy and still be militarily and economically relevant.

But say that you were right, and you have to choose between privacy and relevance, if you choose privacy, then once you are entirely economically dependent on Russia (Europe is still paying more in energy money to Russia than in aid to Ukraine) and China — when Europe is a vassal — it won't be able to make its own laws anymore.

[staplers]

  I'd rather be free and my data safe than be an economic world leader.

You often need the latter to maintain the former.

[Y_Y]

How often?

[staplers]

Ask any non-five-eyes or backdoored chip producing country.

[Y_Y]

They don't post here often

[londons_explore]

Almost every country or group of countries today is either a world leader, nearly a world leader, or a vassal state of one of the first two.

[jimbokun]

It's not clear that the inscrutable process described is providing either.

[ekianjo]

With chat control you won't get either.