[thrance]

Peak American thinking: megacorps and dictatorships stealing data with no respect whatsoever for privacy and not giving anything back is good. Any attempt to defend oneself from that is foolish and should be mocked. I wish you people could realize you're getting fucked over as much as the rest of us.

[llbbdd]

They are giving things back, that's what a company that sells products is. And the EU/UK should learn something from all this before they have to figure out how to translate all their road signs to Russian or Chinese.

[onestay42]

"Yes the company did steal all the wood from the forest—illegally—but at least they're selling us furniture!"

[llbbdd]

I struggle to believe that anybody actually cares in this manner, because of the prevalence of bad faith analogies like this one. The trees are still there, and we get furniture. I am not Harper-Collins, I am not Random House. I didn't have a problem when collecting and presenting data like this was called a "search engine" and I don't know why I should believe it's worse now that it can also talk to me.

[onestay42]

Those are very good points. I suppose it depends on one's view of IP. I think your comment has actually changed my mind—at least a little bit. Thank you.

[llbbdd]

Thank you - I do understand the IP argument, especially as it applies to e.g. Meta who may have obtained a lot of their training data illegally, which I think is a wholly separate legal question. I apologize also for referring to your comment as "bad-faith", I have seen the argument applied by other people and cast it onto yours, when I should have just said I didn't think it applied.