[tarvaina]

The Wikipedia article says:

"Rock, sand and concrete has a heat capacity about one third of water's. On the other hand, concrete can be heated to much higher temperatures (1200 °C) by for example electrical heating and therefore has a much higher overall volumetric capacity."

and

"Polar Night Energy installed a thermal battery in Finland that stores heat in a mass of sand. It was expected to reduce carbon emissions from the local heating network by as much as 70%. It is about 42 ft (13 m) tall and 50 ft (15 m) wide. It can store 100 MWh, with a round trip efficiency of 90%. Temperatures reach 1,112 ºF (600 ºC). The heat transfer medium is air, which can reach temperatures of 752 ºF (400 ºC) – can produce steam for industrial processes, or it can supply district heating using a heat exchanger."

[internet_points]

I learnt some new concepts here, specific heat capacity vs overall volumetric, things I kind of understood intuitively, but now much clearer:

If I add some fixed amount heat to some fixed volume of water, it might rise by 1℃, while the same volume of concrete rises by 3℃. And by the same logic, on release, that fixed volume of water dropping by 1℃ releases 3x as much heat as when that fixed volume of concrete drops by 1℃.

So if you can max heat water to 100℃, and max heat concrete to 1200℃, and on release you let it go to 10℃ (probably the range is less in practice), then the water can drop 90℃ and the concrete 1190℃, so even if the water releases 3x the amount of heat per ℃, the water just releases 270 (per volume) while the concrete releases 1190 (per volume)

[privatelypublic]

Also to add some practicals: you can drive a steam turbine with the concrete temps, but not with the water.

Also, looking at how hot water could theoretically get (decomposes between 2200-3300C), it looks like 1200C is an interesting limit. Above that and you get safety(practical) and cost issues with every material I could find (common salts, pure elements).

Sand just makes sense! Though, don't ever youtube sand battery.

[stavros]

Why not YouTube sand battery? I did it, and nothing much happened.

[privatelypublic]

Previously it was a bunch of overunity nutjobs.

[stavros]

Ahh right, I did see some preppers there, to be fair.

[internet_points]

> don't ever youtube sand battery

Huh? I just get stuff related to this article?

[fulafel]

The higher temperature output is a good point, you can't get 400C output for industrial processes from a 100C water based heat battery.

[dinkblam]

a Blast furnace needs closer to 2000° than 400°

in any case, how would you transport high temperatures to the industrial sites? water boils at 100° and few liquids boil above 400°. most liquids will be impractical due to cost or safety (combustibility, toxicity…).

[happosai]

Of course you can't do blast furnace with a sand battery. But there is still a sizable market for industrial heat in between 100c <> 400c.

[rsynnott]

Pump water through, producing steam to drive a turbine, use turbine to generate electricity, use electricity for industrial process.

Now, in practice you _probably_ don't want to do this, because, in this case, you have district heating demand, which is a far more efficient use of the power.

[fulafel]

Steam?