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by ericmcer 290 days ago
yeh by that justification our technological advancement should have stopped at sharpened sticks. "As a species we aren't ready to have sharp sticks"
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Maybe it should have?

It's probably too late now - Pandora's box has been opened - but just in the US, about one school shooting or mass shooting every two days proves that at least one member of the species isn't uniformly ready to have firearms.

Assuming for a moment that sanctioned warfare is justifiable, in peacetime we have at least managed to build a political and military apparatus that has generally kept nuclear, conventional explosive, and chemical/biological weapons out of the control of the subset of the species who are vulnerable to this sort of psychotic breakdown.

Syncophantic AI chat bots are already making this weakness worse.

Feel free to go back to a world in which human beings stopped developing technology at the sharpened stick. It's pretty easy to buy a large, remote plot of land in many states in the US, so you can live in your technology-free paradise.

Just to clarify, this statement will always be true: "N members of our species aren't ready for technology Y". And N will always be greater than or equal to 1.

So I can enjoy a completely isolated life until the bomb takes me out, and the only interaction I need to have with anyone is when it's time to pay my taxes? I'm not sure that's a serious alternative at all
Even ignoring the mass shootings, the fact that firearms are used at all against fellow human beings indicates that we aren't ready for it.
Why would we want to be stuck in the world pre sharp sticks? I am okay with thought experiments, but it's hard to imagine the mental gymnastics required for that to become even mildly interesting.
>[...]about one school shooting or mass shooting every two days proves that at least one member of the species isn't uniformly ready to have firearms.

I often see comments online descending into the argument about firearms. Besides the potential number of people hurt/killed, what's the difference between someone walking into a school with a gun versus one walking into a school with a knife? Or a sharpened spear (from other comments in the thread)?

In many ways, I think a knife could be worse. You can hurt/kill a lot of people very quietly with a knife, leaving most of the school none the wiser. They're easier to conceal, easier to make from non-metallic substances (and thus can be easier to sneak past metal detectors.) I imagine people would be a lot less concerned about a knife collection than a gun collection, etc etc.

I don't disagree with your comment about someone not being ready for a firearm. However, I think that the argument that we're not recognizing the dangers of "gun free" zones as potential targets (by at least one statistic, 94% of mass shootings in the US happen in a "gun free" zone) and mitigating that danger in a meaningful way actually supports your point about syncophantic AIs better.

> Besides the potential number of people hurt/killed, what's the difference between someone walking into a school with a gun versus one walking into a school with a knife?

Yeah, and what's the difference between cutting a slice of bread and dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima?

Scale, it's scale. Scale matters, you can't hand wave it. If you try to, then you go to some very dumb, obviously wrong conclusions.

Everything, and I do mean everything, can be used for evil. But we don't allow everything, and for good reason.

Maybe look at the mass killings in schools in countries where guns aren't readily available? The issue is almost non existent.
In general, mass stabbings have fewer victims, and a higher percentage of those victims are injured rather than killed.
Well that just doesn't make sense because I was told that guns don't kill people, people do. So why would they only injure, not kill, someone just because they only had a knife? /s
As a species we aren’t really ready to have sharp sticks, to be fair. Children and mentally handicapped people will hurt themselves with them. As a result we don’t pass out sharpened sticks at recess or in asylums. Maybe we should consider the same approach for electronic sharp sticks we have created and are now marketing to the wider population.
Yes this thing is just like this other thing because they can both be bad, therefore we should do nothing.

Its the classic low-brow reasoning technique. It almost makes sense, if you squint and don't think about it much.

No, there's levels of bad and we have no problem making some bad stuff off limits. I can't build nuclear weapons, after all.

Sharp stick is a better analogy than a nuke for having access to an AI chatbot. A crazy person could use it to hurt themselves or maybe a couple other people.

You really think having access to ChatGPT is as dangerous as giving everyone a nuclear weapon?

Of course I don't, I'm directly refuting the "everything is everything else" style of reasoning.

But AI, as a piece of software available to everyone, is certainly more dangerous than a sharp stick.

If I went out and produced, say, 200,000 sharp sticks and started hanging them out like candy, guess what - id get the authorities attention.

Everything is a function of scale. If we ignore scale than stubbing your toe is genocide, stealing a penny is grand theft auto, and running a mile is time travel.

Well… there’s a strong argument to be made about that.
You forgot the fire. We are definitely not ready for the fire. We should go back to just using mud and spit for everything.
The lyrics to 'Tool - Right In Two' come to mind.