[ch4s3]

> But whatever people like me say, it will be too hard for most of you to accept the reality.

You seem to think awfully highly of your ability to reason about the world, but I find your claim to be fairly lacking. This all reads like the ramblings of a 19 year old who just discovered Chomsky.

[propagandist]

> You seem to think awfully highly of your ability to reason about the world, but I find your claim to be fairly lacking. This all reads like the ramblings of a 19 year old who just discovered Chomsky.

Address the argument rather than engaging in ad hominem.

[ch4s3]

It really isn't an argument.

You have tons of meaningful economic choices everywhere in American life. You can bank with any bank and look for competing offers for credit to do useful things. For example you can buy a home and shop for a better interest rate by taking an offer for a loan from one lender to another and 9 times out of 10 you'll come away with a better offer. But you can easily not take on a loan and choose to preference flexibility and therefore rent. This housing choice involves a myriad of sub choices about lifestyle, commuting preferences, school adjacency, and other elements you may want to balance. Because US state are often quite different in character and economic and social opportunity you have a ton of dimension along which you can exercise choice.

Someone posting here likely has access to remote work and can meaningfully choose to live in a quite mountain town in West Virginia with satellite internet where you never see more than a few people every week, or you could live in a mid sized city like I do and get involved in neighborhood organizations. Similarly you could move to NYC and live in a small apartment an spend all of your time going out to bars and restaurants. These are SUPER meaningful choices on an individual level.

[immibis]

Can you not bank, if all the banks are colluding against you? And still have the rest of your rights? Can you rent without a four times yearly inspection by the landlord?

[ch4s3]

> Can you rent without a four times yearly inspection by the landlord?

I've literally never heard of this.

> Can you not bank, if all the banks are colluding against you? And still have the rest of your rights?

All the banks? There are 3,917 commercial banks and 545 savings and loan associations in the US. It's probably the most banks per-capita of any country. You'd be hard press to not be able to even work with a local credit union.

[ranger_danger]

I've been renting for 20 years and only ever had an inspection once.

[2OEH8eoCRo0]

Show me the Americans stuck in a black hole where nobody processes their payment, banks won't handle their money, they can't vote, they can't travel, etc. because of their deviations?

There are total nutjobs of all walks that are living just fine. There are actual Nazis and commies living just fine.

It's a big country. If our whole society already has dystopian social credit it should be easy to find examples.

[fragmede]

Banks talk to each other via ChexSystems/EWS and stick Americans in a black hole where nobody processes their payments and banks won't handle their money. Felons don't have voting rights in 48 states. As far as travel is concerned, being imprisoned makes that hard, but no, we don't (yet) have internal border checks that prevent people from moving from place to place, other than the fact that it's expensive.

[esseph]

Go into a busy gas station in the US. Ask "Hey, is anybody here a felon?" (Doesn't matter if customer or if they're working there)

[ch4s3]

Only about 6% of Americans have felony records as of 2023.

[anigbrowl]

That's a lot, about 2025 million people! And while many felons deserve their prison terms, those who have been released have an extremely steep hill to climb to get functional in society again. I feel like there's probably some correlation with recidivism rates.

[anigbrowl]

That should be 20-25, not 2025.

[esseph]

So over 20,000,000 people.

[fmnxl]

> Show me the Americans stuck in a black hole

Stop right there, then you'll see them :) Millions of them