[ncphillips]

> Half these issues stem from a relative misunderstanding of exactly where the code is running.

I used to think Javascript everywhere was an advantage, and this is exactly why I now think it's a bad idea.

My company uses Inertia.js + Vue and it a significantly better experience. I still get all the power of modern frontend rendering but the overall architecture is so much simpler. The routing is 100% serverside and there's no need for a general API. (Note: Inertia works with React and Svelte too)

We tried Nuxt at first, but it was a shit show. You end up having _two_ servers instead of one: the actual backend server, and the server for your frontend. There was so much more complexity because we needed to figure out a bunch of craziness about where the code was actually being run.

Now it's dead simple. If it's PHP it's on the server. It's JS it's in the browser. Never needing to question that has been a huge boon for us.

[jbreckmckye]

Notice that nearly everyone pushing edge-execution JS has some infrastructure to sell you.

It's positioned as a ramp up for companies where frontend and backend devs work at loggerheads and the e-commerce / product teams need some escape hatch to build their own stateless backend functions

[fragmede]

> If it's PHP it's on the server. It's JS it's in the browser. Never needing to question that has been a huge boon for us.

In what way has that been a boon? Context switching between languages, especially PHP, seems like an even bigger headache. Is it strlen($var) or var.length or mb_strlen($var)?

Do you ever output JavaScript from PHP?

My biggest question though is how do you avoid ever duplicating logic between js and PHP? Validation logic, especially, but business logic leaks between the two, I've found. Doing it all in Next saves me from that particular problem.

[1oooqooq]

spoken like a middle manager.

why would anyone send JavaScript from the php? why care about duplicating a couple json translations and null checks... it's all code is today anyway.

and switching languages? you can't use most of js as it is. even something as simple as split() have so many weird bugs that everyone just code from a utils lib anyway.

[fragmede]

Oh hey, insults. Those are fun.

spoken like someone who's not experienced enough to realize that duplicated code needs to be kept in sync, and then when it inevitably isn't, it'll lead to incidents, and also can't write JavaScript without using leftpad.

[makestuff]

I am a backend dev, and I needed a website that was temporary for an event. I thought to myself this would be a good opportunity to learn some frontend development.

After looking through the 20 different popular front end frameworks and getting confused by SSR, CSR, etc. I decided to use Nuxt. I thought oh this is great, Vue makes a lot of sense to me and this seems like it makes it easer to make Vue apps. I could not have been more wrong. I integrated it with Supabase + Vercel and I had so many random issues I almost scrapped the entire thing to just build it with squarespace.

[danielroe]

would love to know what kinds of issues you encountered