[Keyframe]

" in many dimensions they lag behind GPT-5 class " - such as?

Outside of computer, "the moat" is also data to train on. That's an even wider moat. Now, google has all the data. Data no one else has or ever will have. If anything, I'd expect them to outclass everyone by a fat margin. I think we're seeing that on video however.

[ivape]

You think Chinese companies are short on data and people? Google doesn’t have an advantage there until the CCP takes on a more hands on approach.

Tin foil hat time:

- If you were a God and you wanted to create an ideal situation for the arrival of AI

- It would make sense to precede it with a social media phenomena that introduces mass scale normalization of sharing of personal information

Yes, that would be ideal …

People can’t stop sharing and creating data on anything, for awhile now. It’s a perfect situation for AI as an independent, uncontrollable force.

[rusk]

> People can’t stop sharing and creating data on anything

Garbage in. Garbage out.

There has never been a better time to produce an AI that mimics a racist uneducated teenager.

[Loudergood]

We already had Tay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

[ivape]

Do you want to model the world accurately or not? That person is part of our authentic reality. The most sophisticated AI in the world will always include that person(s).

[rusk]

Not in the slightest. I want useful information services that behave in a mature and respectable fashion.

[willvarfar]

not according to google: “We have no moat, and neither does OpenAI”: the big memo and the big HN thread on same https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35813322

[Keyframe]

a bit weird to think about it since google has literally internet.zip in multiple versions over the years, all of email, all of usenet, all of the videos, all of the music, all of the user's search interest, ads, everything..

[lelanthran]

> a bit weird to think about it since google has literally internet.zip in multiple versions over the years, all of email, all of usenet, all of the videos, all of the music, all of the user's search interest, ads, everything..

Yeah, Google totally has a moat. Them saying that they have no moat doesn't magically make that moat go away.

They also own the entire vertical which none of the competitors do - all their competitors have to buy compute from someone who makes a profit just on compute (Nvidia, for example). Google owns the entire vertical, from silicon to end-user.

It would be crazy if they can't make this work.

[rvba]

That's why robots make so much traffic now. Those other companies are trying to get data.

Google theoretically has reddit access. I wonder if they have sort of an internet archive - data unpolutted by LLMs

On a side note, funny how all the companies seem to train on book archivr which they just downloaded from the internet

[lrem]

> all of the videos, [...], all of the user's search interest, ads, everything..

And privacy policies that are actually limiting what information gets used in what.

[Keyframe]

and even then!

[IncreasePosts]

That's one person's opinion that works for Google.

[seunosewa]

counterpoint: with their aggressive crawlers, most AI companies can have as much data as google...