[dgfitz]

> Eventually, as models and their users both improve

I like how this is presented as a given thing that will happen, that models are going to just improve forever. That there isn’t some plateau on “user skill with LLMs” like it’s fucking calculus mixed with rocket science that only the elite users will ever attain full fluency in using.

This is starting to read like religious cult propaganda, which is probably scarier than whatever else ends up happing with this shit.

[buu700]

Are you implying that it's impossible to attain greater proficiency with LLM usage than one would have on their first day opening ChatGPT? The concepts of "Google-fu" and "tech literacy" must also be alien to you.

[dgfitz]

If you think I’m implying that, English must not be your first language or you’re being intentionally obtuse. Neither would surprise me.

Google fu, before Google fucked everything up, was not hard to learn, and then plateaued. It’s not like it was hard to do, and it’s not like once you figured it out there was this boundless growth potential to keep learning. You learned algebra one. Congrats, that’s all there was to it.

Tech literacy I’m not even going to address, because again either you don’t understand what that means or you’re being intentionally obtuse.

[buu700]

Feel free to state your point clearly without the juvenile insults, if you have one.

[dgfitz]

Prompt engineering isn’t hard to master, weeks to months tops. That is the point. LLMs are at the top of the s-curve.

Assuming prompt engineering is hard, assuming that LLMs are going to continue to make any kind of substantial leap without _any_ evidence other than blind faith, is as close to believing in a religion as it gets. Having blind “faith” in this house or cards, saying things like “when things continue to advance” without any evidence that there will be any advancement, is absolutely insane.

I’m having a hard time believing you needed me to spell that out.

[buu700]

Define "hard to master". I use LLMs all the time, sometimes as a writing assistant, and have never had the problem of trying to pass off a GPT response to a single one-line prompt as my own words. I haven't found LLMs hard to master.

An 80-year-old who barely uses computers and still types full sentences into Google (or who struggled for years to unlearn that habit) might find LLMs hard to master. Someone with poor written communication skills might find LLMs hard to master. Shockingly, it turns out that different people have different skills and life experiences.

I never used the word "faith". I'm not sure why you feel the need to make up a straw man to attack rather than respond to my comment as written, or why you feel the need to repeatedly insult me and accuse me of bad faith. It sounds like you're more interested in trying to win some perceived argument than engaging in constructive discussion.

[dgfitz]

I’m tired of things like this:

> Eventually, as models and their users improve

You’re pushing opinion and assumption as fact. Stop doing that.