[xethos]

The deal with Youtube was always presented as "You watch a couple ads, we show you a couple videos"

Google has dramatically altered that deal, and now shows much longer, less-likely-to-be-skippable ads, with much higher frequency.

Calling it "a prety reasonable subscription" is only reasonable if we forget that this wasn't the deal originally offered

Furthermore, this is a massive corporation closing up a project that got it's start by selling itself to geeks as Open.

It is Google's OS, and it is Google's app, but closing up the Open project to advantage their own app sure as hell feels like poor form

[devinprater]

Also I didn't pay for Shorts to be force-fed to me.

[lucyjojo]

then don't watch youtube...

[xethos]

This would be fair if Google hadn't altered the deal only after creating the circular "People only upload to YouTube" / "All the viewers are on YouTube"

YouTube would not be effectively the only game in town if Google hadn't underpriced their product to drive out competitors

In short: If Google had played fair from the beginning, I would have the option to watch streaming semi-pro video elsewhere.