They voted 3 times to stay with France. At a certain point, you have to admit independence is a minoritarian position.
This is also a vote where people who had recently moved (e.g. in the last 30 years) to New Caledonia were ineligible to vote (including people born on New Caledonia if their parents couldn't vote). If Quebec had had similar restrictions on the franchise, they would have easily become independent from Canada.
Burning cars and rioting after the last three referendums (which had excluded 100k people who had arrived after 1998) didn't go your way is sure a way to get ahead in politics.
Also what would be your proposed solution? Make the island be independent and let the Kanak expulse anyone who isn't like them? Because such blood and soil were usually spouted by people wearing brown shirts in Europe in the 30s.
Your judgement on what or isn't good politics is of no interest to me>
I have not proposed any solution because I have zero skin in the game, it was merely produced as an example of the sun setting on an empire.
Why all you trolls feel the need to make accusations, put words into other people's mouths, and demand "proposals" is beyond me - seems like either an inability to read and comprehend things, or a deliberate attempt to derail conversations - which one are you?
Personally I don't see New Caledonia getting independent anytime soon, because the current French government isn't interested in granting it and the Kanaks don't have the numbers or foreign support to stage a successful independence war.
By that argument, Americans can leave the US right now and give it back to the original inhabitants of the country.
Various parties want more autonomy in New Caledonia which France is more than ready to give. The process is somewhat sabotaged by a tiny group of Marxist but it is moving in the right direction.
What I find fascinating in the whole process is how the lefts in mainland are broadly supporting the FLNK, as if any ethnic minority could only be on the right side. Even when said group is advocating to rid "their" land of a population that was born on the same soil as them, over multiple generations too. Yes the Kanak's ancestors were robbed of their land, but the left is also arguing for massively reducing inheritance and giving more rights to immigrants on other fronts.
Take a better look at Fiji - the indigenous people there have been outnumbered by the people bought into the country from India (by the English)
The Fijians have had multiple coup, and changes to their constitution to ensure that only indigenous people can run the country
Whether I agree with that or not is beside the point, the point is that what you claim is false, what can happen has happened elsewhere, and where things end up is very much determined by whether or not the "sun is setting on the French empire"
Wether you agree or not is the entire point. This is not a theoretical question about what could be done.
The question is why should it happen in the first place? Why do you think people who have been there for 150 years and ask nothing more than cohabitation should be forcefully removed from a place?
As I said, it is not that simple. It has absolutely nothing to do with "the sun setting on the French empire".
> They raised it just because it was relevant to the sun setting on the French Empire.
New Caledonia becoming independent would not have an effect on this though, the sun would still not set on France, as New Amsterdam and Wallis-et-Futuna are close enough to prevent that and very unlikely to leave France in the foreseeable future.
Yes and no. They're painting it as somehow legitimate and relevant. If you were seriously just enumerating possibilities then you could equally ask e.g. what if the Spanish decide to invade and reclaim their ancestral homeland?
Once again the question is not if it’s doable but why it should be done. Indian in Fiji is entirely irrelevant here (unless you think a military dictatorship supported by the church is somehow what New Caledonia needs).
If you are arguing they should leave because New Caledonia is the ancestral land of the indigenous population, well, I will let you apply the argument to the USA and Israel. See, it’s not that simple.
> Are you intentionally entirely missing the point?
Ok angry dude.. what point am I supposedly "intentionally missing"
> why it should be done
Yes, why should people have the right to self determination of a land they have occupied for thousands of years.
> Indian in Fiji is entirely irrelevant here
Since f*cking when?
> unless you think a military dictatorship supported by the church is somehow what New Caledonia needs
I explicitly pointed out that whether I think things should or shouldn't happen is besides the point, and you deliberately ignore that because you have a problem.
Facts don't need me to agree or not, what has happened has happened.
> If you are arguing they should leave because New Caledonia
Please, do copy and paste where I have said, or inferred, anything of the sort.
> apply the argument to the USA and Israel.
So, now they're relevant, but not Fiji and the Indians.
Well the argument was about the French empire sun setting, and the evidence is what's happening in the Caledonian political sphere.
You are providing a perfect example of the USA's empire still being alive and well, and more than in control of what it considers to be its territories.
Once the USA's empire does recede, like every empire before it, whomever is the strongest will take those lands.
From what I've heard a lot of immigrants to New Caledonia came from Fiji. The problem isn't that Fiji is being overrun by Indians, it's that the Fiji people themselves are abandoning the island.
Right, given that there have been two other... trolls.. arguing in bad faith, putting words into peoples mouths, claiming that nobody is engaging in their true argument
I want to see, from you, citations, and factual evidence thatyour claims are valid.
This is also a vote where people who had recently moved (e.g. in the last 30 years) to New Caledonia were ineligible to vote (including people born on New Caledonia if their parents couldn't vote). If Quebec had had similar restrictions on the franchise, they would have easily become independent from Canada.