[tharmas]

Harris was a terrible candidate. And not chosen by the delegates. The Democrats have to take some of the blame for Trump 2.0, surely?

Trump was a terrible candidate and could've been beaten if a good candidate running against him.

[macintux]

Speaking as someone who despises Ted Cruz to the bottom of my soul, I decided in 2016 that if Trump had decided to run as a Democrat, I would have voted for Cruz. At least he has some sincerely held beliefs that do not involve his own wallet and cruelty towards the entire world outside his inner circle.

My point being: at some point the American electorate has to take responsibility for picking the worst available person. The Democrats did not compel them to vote for Trump.

[tharmas]

≥The Democrats did not compel them to vote for Trump.

Perhaps i didn't make my point clear. Indeed ur statement is true. I was referring to those who hated Trump but also hated Harris and so DIDNT VOTE. My point being that if the Democrats had fielded a compelling candidate many of those who didn't vote may have voted for them. Enough to win. The Democrats learned nothing when they fielded Hilary Clinton and lost. Joe Biden barely won. And only because they were sick of Trump and also how he handled Covid. Also don't forget the Democrats tried to run with Joe for a second term when he was clearly unfit. Huge turn off.

So yes, my argument is the Democrat Party is partly at fault for Trump 2.0. They did not field a worthy candidate.

"Vote Blue no matter who" is a failed strategy. And rightly so.

[triceratops]

> Joe Biden barely won

That's slightly revisionist. He won the popular vote by almost 5 percentage points. That's a lot. He also got more electoral college votes than GWB (both times) and Trump in 2016. His victories in the battleground states were also by a higher margin than Trump's in 2016, though still close. "Barely won" is a shade of true.

I honestly don't blame the guy for believing it was his responsibility to the country to run for re-election and keep Trump out of office. His heart was in the right place, even if the rest of him wasn't up to the task anymore.

[tharmas]

Trump in 2020 was such a shitty candidate that he should've been easily trounced.

So anything a lot kess than that looks to me like ”barely". Perhaps im too harsh?

I get why Michelle Obama wont run but i think she would've trounced trump in 2020 or 2024.

The democrats need to field a candidate that has her kind of appeal to beat trump.

[cowboylowrez]

I love how people are blaming democrats for electing trump. Its just such a dystopian timeline lol

[tharmas]

Really?. I argue that if the Democrats could've fielded a candidate voters felt good about voting for, it would've been no contest.

What is wrong with my logic?

It sounds like ur logic is: if u don't want trump then u have to vote for the (shitty) democrat candidate.

My point of view is based on those who DIDN'T vote at all, not people who voted for trump because they didn't like harris.

Oh wait, its entirely their (non voters) fault trump won, is what u would argue, correct?

So the democrats have no responsibility to field a candidate worthy of a vote except their not trump or Republican?