[miohtama]

The post can be summarised "I am an old grumpy man. I don't like change. I don't like hype. I don't like people with different values than I have. Let's opposite all change."

Sure, the stuff is bad. You can use the same arguments for any tech: Internet, mobile phones, social media. But for most of the people, the stuff is good. ChatGPT has hundreds of millions of active users. Those users are happy, because it creates enormous value for them.

[tobylane]

> Those users are happy

AI affects non-users in a substantially different way to phones or social media. When I phone someone, it doesn't matter if it's a landline or mobile phone (though, in the UK we can tell by the leading digit). But when I read someone's pull request or press release, it does matter whether it's vibe coded, or made by the person. Looking at the person using the tool does not show the whole picture. You're welcome to have different values, but don't hide from me what I apply my values to.

[miohtama]

Eternal September is already way past. We cannot have Internet only for people we like and we want to interact with.

[HellDunkel]

What do these „different values“ look like? Is stealing and lying ok for you AI evangelist folks?

[miohtama]

For example, but not limited to

- Believe in capitalism and that venture capital allows us to build things that are better for humankind

- Technological progress is good

- Automation and the increased productivity it brings is good

- Individualism: people should be allowed to use tools as they wish, and they not should not be limited to the use cases someone else finds acceptable. Are people allowed to do stuff we don't like?

- Freedom of speech: If it is AI generated slop, you are still allowed to say it even if it makes you to look like an idiot

Let's take vibe coding as an example. The user tobylane would prefer not to allow vibe coding to exist, because it causes him personal nuisance to see vibe-coded pull requests. But then, most people who do vibe coding do it because they like it and it brings them joy and productivity.

[HellDunkel]

I dont see the author expressing any views opposing these except for the „freedom of speech“ which is actually about ownership. And he is right to do so because it brings us back to the stealing and lying. If you offered me a book i would like to know if it had been made off the backs of others without compensetion or consent OR if it is a work of your own. And i feel i have a right to know.

[y42]

it's tagged as "rant" and that what it is. And I think he's more concerned about the hype or unethical behaviors, but not actual AI. But I am just guessing...