[1a527dd5]

Joined {{company}} when everything was using 5.4, there was a big distaste of PHP back then.

But as PHP have released newer versions I'm convinced our migration away from PHP (which is just finishing) is probably a step backwards _now_ that PHP is awesome.

Everyone still thinks it is like 5.x days, it really isn't.

[criemen]

I'm not so sure: If you think about hiring talent, there's a perception in the wider industry about PHP (rightly or wrongly, let's not debate that here) that'll prevent access to a lot of great developers. So even if not warranted anymore on technical merits anymore, in terms of employer branding, I'd say migrating away from PHP is helping.

[adamors]

Right on, I wrote a lot of PHP 15 years ago and I swore I’ll never get back to it. I’m a much better developer now and I’ll actively avoid any company doing PHP in 2025.

[const_cast]

PHP is a very different language than 15 years ago, and large applications are pretty much indistinguishable from Java or dotnet. The type system is more cohesive than JS or even Python at this point.

[adamors]

But still, why would I work with it? The language is crap, I guess now there are enough abstractions to hide it but they can do only so much. You're still writing $variables and calling the array_* methods etc. at some point. I'd rather work with languages that don't have this legacy crap with them. I also avoid Perl fwiw.

[const_cast]

Every language has legacy crap, or at least all the ones that matter.

[IshKebab]

> now that PHP is awesome.

It's definitely better, but awesome? That's a huge stretch.

[tomrod]

PHP is growing on me. I'll have to check it out -- thanks for the idea!

[avan1]

4 years ago we have been in same situation and we choosed to continue in php with choosing version 8. so far it works for us all these years.