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by Atlas667 300 days ago
Damn, dude. Dont embarass yourself. You have no idea what socialism is.

If you dont know of any murderous actions on behalf of transnational capitalist entities and states I suggest you read any modern history.

From the invasions and massacres in my own country, to 2 world wars, to colonialism, to dissappearances all across sotuh america, to outright murder of democratically elected presidents.

Did you know drug cartels are capitalist entities as well? They extort, murder and traffick for profits extracted by labor.

I gave you countless examples that you discard. I gave you accurate narratives to world events you were weaponizing. And I've explained how socialism has nothing to do with "government" control and murder.

The facts of my support is that I think the only way to permanent mass democracy is democratized production. That's all. That's socialism.

To you capitalism is an abstract idea you conflate with freedom. To you socialism is murder and dictatorship.

I suggest you reanalyze your concepts.

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> Did you know drug cartels are capitalist entities as well? They extort, murder and traffick for profits extracted by labor.

Ah so you go for big sounding well-known problems, that kill 0.01% of the average socialist state then? Seen that argument too. And I'll show you the problem. They are serious problems ... but not compared to a small socialist problem, say Venezuela. The Venezuelan state is socialist, does what you suggest.

To stay directly in your argument: it turned out they work and support drug cartels. So your presenting of socialism as either the opposite or a solution to drug cartels is very disingenuous.

Nearly all the countries that support cartels are capitalists.

Venezuela is a progressive reformist state with many many capitalists. The reason why its considered a rogue state in your capitalist media is that it wont play ball with the american capitalist block/cartel.

Drugs could be made a legal industry in order to end the drug crisis. But drug cartels preserve regulation-less profits. Its literally billions they save by avoiding legality and taxation.

Finally, here we are "that's not real socialism, my version is much better". I would like to point out that EVEN NOW marxists don't see any reason to disavow Chavez.

> Venezuela is a progressive reformist state ...

That's not how Chavez grabbed power and amassed billions. Not at all.

Chavez, the billionnaire drug-cartel supporter, hero of marxist communism. If it didn't destroy so many lives it'd be a sickening joke. Then again, people still see Arafat or Guevara as heroes of communism too, and compared to them Chavez is ... well, a lot smarter, but at least in Chavez's case I'd be reluctant to call him a mass murderer, whereas Arafat and Guevara definitely are mass murderers. Arafat was a billionnaire when he died too.

https://marxist.com/chavez-capitalism-transcended-socialism....