[Balgair]

As a former gear head there is also the perception issue.

Look, no way about it, most of the drivers of muscle cars today are grey headed old men. They're the only ones that can afford them.

The next big demo for muscle cars is via exorbitant leases that select for idiots. Which yeah, now we're talking younger men with testosterone, at least.

Being an old man now too, I'm fairly certain that dumb testosterone laden guys with a loud and fast car are still gonna get the girls, but I can't be 100 on that anymore.

Still thats the next demo down. It's mostly old farts on Harleys and in Mustangs (unless you're near Paris Island or San Diego, of course)

[georgeecollins]

Another big problem is that performance is so much better than it was in the golden age of muscle cars. Lots of BMWs and Civics today would blow off the fastest car imaginable in '68-70. Of course the latest muscle cars also improved, with engines that are like 400- 1000 hp (really just that Charger, but a teen in my neighborhood has one).

That's just really a dangerous amount of power for a daily driver. A lot of electric drivers don't realize how much the potential power is taken down in daily driving to keep it safe. But Camaro LT's have a sport mode where the backend can get loose with just a squirt of acceleration.

Cars like that are insane. It's just not safe to drive cars like that on city street anywhere near their potential.

[heresie-dabord]

> grey headed old men. They're the only ones that can afford them.

Yes, the economics have changed. And so has scalability.

For today's young adults, vehicle cost and total cost of ownership have made ownership of private vehicles another "shining artifact of the past." [0]

But you know what else? Populated cities have dense traffic. Racing with full acceleration to reach the next intersection's red light is obviously futile.

People are more worried about having a roof and four walls.

[0] to quote L. Cohen