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by arjie 301 days ago
A 2023 Dodge Charger GT V6 does 0-60 in 6.4 s

My 2018 Subaru Forester does 0-60 in 6.3 s

Imagine you're getting smoked by a 7 year old dad-mobile with paddle shifters. And I'm not even running a Cobb tune. That isn't a muscle car. That's a synthol car.

https://www.burnsmotors.com/cdjr-research/dodge-charger-0-60...

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The Charger GT is essentially the rental-spec charger. Not a great comparison.

Besides, Muscle cars are often more about torque and the front-engine rwd layout. In the 70s they were all slow as shit but could still peel tires and do burnouts.

Also, for those in-the-know, the mid 2000s Honda Accord v6 was about as fast as the mustang of that time, but obviously drove very different.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but this comparison is odd. You’re comparing the fastest Forester (XT turbocharged) to the slowest V6 Charger. The slowest V8 Charger does 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. The fastest one does 0-60 in 3.6 seconds.
6.3 is not fast these days.

I don't worry about being smoked by any Subaru (loved my WRX in the day) but dual motor Teslas? I ease off.

Now compare your Forester to the V8 Charger with the base Hemi. Who would win?
A Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat does 0-60 in 3.6s.

A Suzuki GSX-1000 can do it in 2.5s.

Rivian R1T 2.5 seconds

https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/rivian-0-60-mph-t...

2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance - 2.8 seconds

Getting smoked by a soccer mom

You're right next to the point yet you've missed it. The Rivian has a wide range of performance _options_. With only the "2025 Rivian R1T Ascend Quad Max" having the performance you've quoted. How is the "ascend quad max" segment ideologically different from the "srt hellcat" segment?

Likewise the _standard_ Tesla 3 has quite a bit different 0 to 60 times than what you've quoted here.

Do you really think your soccer mom is buying the "performance" edition of the vehicle and not the "long range?" Which proves the point, performance options are not dead, and EVs only continue the trend, they don't obviate it.

Ooh this is fun. The $72K Xiaomi SU7 Ultra does 0-62mph in 1.98s. Do I win the teddy bear? :)

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1145870_2025-xiaomi-su7-...

Yes, yes you do.
Husband of a hockey mom here. Yes, they do get the performance model. And even the long range dual motor models are silly quick.
How is that any different from the charger base model versus the hellcat?
Crotch Rocket vs Muscle Car?
Hopefully not head-on.