[kylehotchkiss]

Disagree. Not everybody wants their sites scraped and their content used to train a model that they'll never see a penny from. Cloudflare is the only party who wants to build a system where both the models and individual sites have their interests respected.

[ATechGuy]

Are you sure that CF can stop AI bots?

[hsbauauvhabzb]

Do you have a better alternative?

[ATechGuy]

Have you looked into open-source alternatives? I'm assuming that it's a pressing problem for you, and you have already explored alternatives.

[tick_tock_tick]

I have, sadly they are basically worthless and often worse then worthless as they negatively impact the site.

[ATechGuy]

Interesting. Care to list them here so that we all can learn.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

https://anubis.techaro.lol/ ?

[hsbauauvhabzb]

Your browser is configured to disable cookies. Anubis requires cookies for the legitimate interest of making sure you are a valid client. Please enable cookies for this domain.

Thing is, my browser isn’t configured that way. So works well, I guess.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

The target was better than cloudflare, which also demands cookies but with more tracking. This is still better.

[hsbauauvhabzb]

I have not disabled cookies. Cloudflare works fine. Users being able to access a website is a pretty important metric when considering which is ‘better’.

[specialp]

I will tell you that we have had bot super fight mode on for a year and since then we have not had to address abusing traffic nor deal with legitimate people blocked. There is no way we could have achieved such balance. prior to that it was me blocking every Chinese AS under the sun as they shifted and bombarded us with traffic

[1gn15]

> nor deal with legitimate people blocked

How are you so sure of that? Their marketing?

[account42]

Simple: If you ignore people who get blocked or just also make sure they get blocked the same way in all ways they could reach you, then you don't have to deal with them and can just ignore the issue. Fun times ahead for us.

[observationist]

Then put up a goddamn login wall.

The internet was designed to work the way it does for good reasons.

You not understanding those reasons is not an excuse for allowing a giant tech company to step in and be the gatekeeper for a huge portion of the internet. Nor to monetize, enshittify, balkanize, and fragment the web with no effective recourse or oversight.

Cloudflare shouldn't be allowed to operate, in my view.

[acdha]

> You not understanding those reasons is not an excuse for allowing a giant tech company to step in and be the gatekeeper for a huge portion of the internet.

Are you somehow under the impression that Cloudflare is forcing their service on other companies? They’re not stepping in, the people who own those sites have decided paying them is a better deal than building their own alternatives.

[nemothekid]

>Then put up a goddamn login wall.

They did exactly that, they just outsourced it to cloudflare. The problem became bad enough that a lot of other people did the same thing.

If your argument is "companies shouldn't be allowed to outsource components to other companies, or cloudflare specifically", then sure, but good luck ever enforcing that.