[antifa]

2010 is the year I personally go with. I could be too young to realize it actually started in 2005.

Either way, "no longer trying" is how I would describe the US leadership over the last 2 (or more!) decades.

[jay_kyburz]

It was the point where people stopped listening to people who know what they are talking about, and instead to other idiots on social media, and "news" that was given a strong slant to appeal to a particular audience.

Democracy can't work when people don't have a functioning 4th estate.

[freilanzer]

"My ignorance and stupidity is just as good as your logic and facts!"