[bediger4000]

It must be hard for grassroots folks like these two who actually seem to believe in movement conservative principles. They got abandoned by all levels of conservative leadership. Conservative leadership did a U-turn on essentially every issue.

[flypunk]

IMO they win just by making me (and you) think of it in this way. I don't think they are looking at it from a political leadership perspective, but rather from a cultural/research angle. As a father of 3 teenagers I find their take very convincing. And off course before the kids my views on many issues were much more liberal

[davidmanheim]

Yes - I'm fairly culturally conservative, but very much don't support the (so-called) conservative political leaders basically anywhere.

[bediger4000]

Why do you say "of course"? Having kids pushed me more liberal, school funding and curriculum issues being the wedges, but seeing lots of kids and families sure helped.

[ConceptJunkie]

Idealists are always abandoned by political leadership.