[johnisgood]

The discussion around self-driving cars often feels like shifting goalposts: each time one feature is achieved, a new requirement is added, perpetually delaying the "final" answer.

Self-driving cars are "here"... until someone adds another requirement.

[sensanaty]

I mean by your logic self driving cars were invented back when we put a steam engine on some tracks in the 1800s. Of course the goalposts shift when the hypesters are trying to sell you on an idea like "AI will be able to do literally everything next week".

Yes, Waymo can today drive around extremely dense car-friendly cities that are scanned and mapped in great detail weekly... They also still have to have remote human intervention all the time, and are freaked out by traffic cones being placed on the hood. I grew up in Indonesia and that's where I learned to drive, and trust me, if Waymo is ever able to navigate 100 meters on any road in Jakarta I'll happily concede and consider self-driving to be a solved problem.

[johnisgood]

No, that is not my logic. It completely misrepresents my logic. My comment was not equating hype with reality, it was about the constantly moving goalposts in discussions about _autonomous vehicles_.

In fact, I am not arguing that self-driving cars are perfect or global. I am pointing out how people keep changing the definition of "solved" which makes it look like the finish line keeps moving.

We do have what parent said, it is a reality. It is also the reality that it is not perfect, but somehow the latter is made to minimize or completely dismiss the former.

[YeGoblynQueenne]

There are no moving goalposts, though there is a certain lack of precision in the discussion, on both ends. There is a commonly accepted scale of self-driving car autonomy. By some accounts Waymo can be considered to be level 4, by others they are only level 3. By no account are they level 5, nor is anyone else.

Those are the goalposts and they've been in the same spot for quite a while now.

[recursive]

For me it's always been cars without steering wheels built on a factory line.

[suddenlybananas]

Operating in the snow is not a niche requirement.

[johnisgood]

No one said that it is, nor that self-driving cars are fully solved. My issue is with the snarky remarks of shifting goalposts. See my other reply.

I just do not think that your response is a valid response to a fact ("Waymos are driving themselves around several cities right now").