[furyofantares]

> That is quite the defeatist attitude. Society becoming shittier isn’t inevitable, though inaction and giving up certainly helps that along.

The hypothetical that we're 8x as productive but the work isn't as fun isn't "society becoming shittier".

[Steven420]

How is everyone working shitty jobs not "society becoming shittier"? Seems pretty awful

[furyofantares]

"Society" is more than just software developers.

We are very well paid for very cushy work. It's not good for anyone's work to get worse, but it's not a huge hit to society if a well-paid cushy job gets less cushy.

And presumably people buy our work because it's valuable to them. Multiplying that by 8 would be a pretty big benefit to society.

I don't want my job to get less fun, but I would press that button without hesitation. It would be an incredible trade for society at large.

[pempem]

Well lets think about it.

Software devs jobs getting less cushy is no biggie. We can afford to amp up the efficiency. Teachers jobs got "less cushy" -> not great for users/consumers or the ppl in those jobs. Doctors jobs got "less cushy" -> not great for users/consumers or the ppl in those jobs. Even waiters/ check-out staff, stockists jobs at restaurants, groceries and AMZ got "less cushy" -> not great for users/consumers or the ppl in those jobs. at least not when you need to call someone for help.

These things are not as disconnected as they seem. Businesses are in fact made up of people.

[pdntspa]

Maybe everybody's job should be cushy instead. We were not put on this earth to toil away for a bunch of rich fucks

[bluefirebrand]

My cushy software job has burned me out so badly that I am on medical leave with massive memory problems and a bit of concern about my heart

So I mean... Yeah

Is software more comfortable generally than many other lines of work? Yes probably

Is it always soft and cushy? No, not at all. It is often high pressure and high stress

[furyofantares]

I'm sorry for implying there can't be hardship (significant, even devastating) in this line of work. Thanks for posting about your experience.

[griffiths]

What kind of massive memory problems? I might have this but didn't think to attribute it to burnout.

[ModernMech]

When I burned out I experienced skill regression and short term memory loss. Like, an inability to remember specific events of the day before, inability to perform skills I had done for decades like play an instrument. Took over a year to stabilize and return to normal.

[bluefirebrand]

Yes, this is extremely similar to my experience

I cannot remember events, conversations, or details about important things. I have partially lost my ability to code, because I get partway through implementing a feature and forget what pieces I've done and which pieces still need to be done

I can still write it, but the quality of my work has plummeted, which is part of why I'm off on leave now

[griffiths]

Mine is more of a long term memory loss. Inability to recall some memorable events from months or even a year ago. I’ll definitely check or go talk with someone.

[mrbombastic]

Also asking for a friend…

[bluefirebrand]

Really sorry to hear that

All I can suggest is see a doctor as soon as possible and talk to them about it

[bluefirebrand]

Difficult to explain because it's inconsistent

But I am struggling to remember things I did not used to struggle with

Going to an event on a weekend with my wife and completely forgetting that we ran into a friend there. Not just "oh yeah I forgot we saw them", like feeling my wife is lying to me when she tells me we saw them. Texting them to ask and they agree we saw each other

These are people I trust with my life so I believe they would not gaslight me, my own memory has just failed

Many examples like this, just completely blacking out things. Not forgetting everything, but blacking out large pieces of my daily life. Even big things

[politician]

FWIW, I am not your doctor: Taking a daily antioxidant, glutathione, has helped me manage memory-related symptoms that appeared coincident with other burnout symptoms.

Disclaimer: talk to your doctor. I don’t know if your doctor can tell you whether this is a good idea, but it might help in some countries with good medical systems.

[bluefirebrand]

I might as well ask my doctor about it, thanks

[codr7]

If you think software development is cushy, I wonder what kind of software you're writing. Because there are different levels; getting something to work is not the same thing as writing maintainable, high quality software.

I've seen plenty enough people try, really try, to get into software development; but they just can't do it.

[advael]

This places a lot of faith in the following assumptions:

1. Efficiency measures as written to benchmark this coupling with economic productivity overall

2. Monetary assessments of value in the context of businesses spending money corresponding with social value

3. The gains of economic productivity being distributed across society to any degree, or the effect of this disparity itself being negligible

4. The negative externalities of these processes scaling less quickly than whatever we're measuring in our productivity metric

5. Aforementioned externalities being able to scale to even a lesser degree in lockstep with productivity without crashing all of the above, if not causing even more catastrophic outcomes

I have very little faith in any of these assumptions

[anothernewdude]

Okay, but the reality of society becoming shittier is society becoming shittier.