[reactordev]

More often than not these bad cells can be removed, manufactured a new, and reinstalled. Not 100% but almost good as new.

Making your own cells is fun.

For Toyota, this is trivial and the energy storage these “left over” batteries provide, given a tinkering, is sufficient.

[Dylan16807]

Your own cells? Like you put together a lasagna of metal sheets and chemical goops and roll it up?

[reactordev]

Nah, you can buy 18650 cells, nickel strips, a spot welder, and make a BMS. Build your own battery pack.

[arghwhat]

If you don't know what you're doing, don't do this. Even if you know, probably don't. It works, and is a regular industrial process, sure, but you're trying to perform controlled melting of the protective housing of one of the many, tightly packed chemical energy bombs you're sticking together. Doesn't take too much of a mistake to go very wrong.

If you're building a battery pack in this day and age, use something like LiFePo prismatic cells and bolt-on busbars instead - way less dangerous chemistry, way less spicy process - but realistically speaking just buy the premade packs. For normal sizes, they're not more expensive (but don't buy the "too good to be true" ones) and means not having to deal with entirely unprotected battery terminals eager to give you a Very Bad Time.

[lotharcable]

Generally speaking the cells that are welded on are designed to be welded on in the areas were you do the welding. Doing something other then welding on them properly is going to be more unsafe then welding.

The proper tools to do this are not that expensive anymore in the greater scheme of things. It is just a question of whether or not it is worth to do it at the scale you are doing it or pay somebody else to do it.

Of course if you buy cells that are designed to be bolted together then bolt them together.

Of course the bolts, or whatever else provides the threads, on those cells are welded on.

[arghwhat]

> Generally speaking the cells that are welded on are designed to be welded on in the areas were you do the welding.

... by automated spot welder programmed to the specified timing and temperature control from the cell spec sheet, in a controlled environment with suitable protection and fire suppression for a battery manufacturing line. Not by a hobbyist's first try with a homemade spot welder and a safety squint.

I have made such spot welder and done such spot welding. Sure it's fun to do stupid things, but it remains stupid and unnecessary. For a homebrew battery bank, this is the wrong tool, wrong cell and wrong chemistry.

Buy premade, or if you must, buy boltable prismatic lifepo cells. They can dump a lot of power if your short them, but you can drill straight through them and they'll remain stable. The random 18650 li-ion cells... Not so much.

[myrmidon]

Seconding that advice to just use prismatic lifepo cells. Those have become really cheap, too: You can order brandnew 1kWh cells for $60ish + shipping even if you only need single digit quantities (those want to be squished a bit for longevity, so you might have to design a suitable enclosure).

Energy autarky has never been so affordable, progress on batteries and solar panels was awesome over the last decade.

[numpad0]

Context: there are chopstick shaped, ultra cheap, Chinese battery tab welders as well as no-brand battery tab value-packs to use with, available online.

One tabs each are placed onto each ends of cells, held down with the sticks, and instantly welded upon push of a button. This is much safer than heating up the whole battery by attempting to solder wires directly onto the battery cells(which are made of unsolderable materials anyway). The tabs limit heat conduction into the battery and it is considered safe to solder onto them.

If you're going to build your own battery pack no matter whatever whoever says or do, this types of cigarettes contain significantly less amounts of nicotine and tar components than others.

[bryceacc]

that is remarkably different from building your own CELLS. You are building your own pack in whatever series and parallel configuration you want. Which i agree is fun and a good skill

[Geezus_42]

Username checks out. :D