[moi2388]

Homosexuality was in the DSM. As was hysteria.

Because they looked at clusters of symptoms, rather than actual causes.

Precisely my point.

As for ADHD etc; you do realise they changed the treatments and clustering precisely because of insight in physical processes?!

[dns_snek]

Those things make it flawed, not worthless. Your "precise" point was that the DSM-5 is worthless, please don't move the goalposts now.

[moi2388]

Now you are moving the goalpost. I said that the DSM when not providing the underlying physical processes is worthless.

I stand by that. In fact, historically whenever they did this they caused a lot of harm.

[dns_snek]

> Now you are moving the goalpost

I would beg to disagree: "The DSM is a bunch of nonsense. As long as [...], it’s worthless."

> DSM when not providing the underlying physical processes is worthless.

And when does the DSM ever provide the "underlying physical process"? It certainly doesn't for ADHD or any other chapters I happen to have read, which would make them worthless according to your criteria despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

And while I haven't read all 1000 pages of the DSM because it's not exactly my idea of a good time, I don't think it provides that kind of information in any chapter because we simply don't understand these disorders to that extent, as your original comment correctly observed.