[psolidgold]

The keyboards have full NKRO support and are fully mappable with QMK firmware, plus they offer blank key caps AND a macro or numpad input module. That feels like plenty of leadership to me - that's unheard of in any other laptop. Can't please everyone I guess.

[account42]

> Can't please everyone I guess.

This is such a lame response to valid criticism.

Key remapping is not a feature that you need hardware support for and neither are macros - both can be done in the OS and/or user-space software. Different prints on key caps are also not important at all since you shouldn't need them in the first place and hardly a response to someone being unhappy with the physical keyboard layout. So basically you're saying that because Framework already provides the easy parts that the user could already do in software now no one is allowed to complain about the physical layout that users cannot alter.

[rkangel]

Did you miss:

> numpad input module

You can literally add a physical numpad if you want: https://frame.work/gb/en/products/16-numpad?v=FRAKDM0001

[eviks]

If they designed their keyboard ergonomically, they wouldn't need numpad modules. But yes, can't please everyone, too many people with low standards easily pleasable

[KyleBerezin]

As someone who has been stuck with 13 inch laptops for years, and loves numpads, this is categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad. If you have issues with it, you can try putting the numpad module on the left. Some people swear by it.

[eviks]

> categorically false. With even a day of practice you will massively overtake your numerical typing speed with a numpad.

Speaking of categorically false... How would you even know if you if you've been stuck with the default bad layout on 13 inch?

With a good layout your laptop would have keys laid out in a way that is even more comfortable than those of a standard standalone numpad (which ignores the difference in finger length), so your claim that worse layout is magically massively faster is just categorically implausible.

You're just likely confused because you compare numpad to the unergonomic horizontal 1234567890 number layer, but no, you'll have a bumps numpad layer at your fingertips, so count moving your hands right to a separate module and returning back left into typing speed as well...

[KyleBerezin]

I also own an external keyboard. Life dictates that I do most of my work outside of my home or office though so most of my typing gets done on the integrated keyboard. Also, are you talking about an ergo keyboard? That is an unreasonable critique, what laptop has an ergo keyboard? I don't use a numbpad when I need to write a single '2' mid sentence. I use it for stuff like ip addresses, that whole 5-8 region feels so awkward, and I hate sliding my hands that far up the palmrest.

[illiac786]

Bit pedantic… being satisfied with less is a quality, let’s not forget this.

[copperx]

Positive or negative quality?

[illiac786]

To me, it’s a positive quality.

[eviks]

Universally? Even if it leads to decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality?

[illiac786]

Depends on the context, but generally yes. It’s not new, it’s called asceticism, frugality, many other names I guess.

Also, asking for more is very rarely a form of altruism: no one asks for more to avoid (others) “decades of rsi-health-dangerously poor manufacturing quality”, it’s generally for one’s own benefit, nothing more.