[scott_w]

I’ll take a real world example where I watched someone start to climb over the side of a bridge. Luckily my words stopped him but I did consider whether I should pull him back and pin him to the ground for his own good.

Is your position that it would be better for his freedom for me to let him jump if I couldn’t dissuade him?

[Y_Y]

I would consider that an exceptional case for a person who is very unwell.

That said, I think suicide is a complicated case because some people want to be stopped, and some people will just try again the next night.

[scott_w]

> sometimes we have to lock people down and physically prevent them from harming themselves

So where does my statement suggest we should make locking people up for their own good the norm?

I can come up with even more mundane examples of where we physically prevent people from harming themselves. High barriers to stop people getting into the tiger enclosure. If a member of staff saw someone dumb enough to try and climb in, rest assured they'd be physically dragged out for their own safety.

Or do you suggest we allow the general public to wander into the tiger exhibit to pet the animals? Personal freedom and all that.

[Y_Y]

Yes, I just want people to pet the tigers