[robbie-c]

> In contested elections both sides usually have a large amount of spending.

I think you're thinking about this in the wrong way.

What you're saying is that people who don't have a lot of money to spend usually don't make it to the election.

[grafmax]

Right, it’s those with the wealth who are determining policy. Essentially politics is controlled by the upper class, even if they do fight among themselves.

[izzydata]

And as soon as some class diving issue comes up where it is the 99.9% against the ultra wealthy it will become a non-partisan issue and get done immediately in favor of the ultra wealthy.

[bilbo0s]

This.

Money definitely sways elections.

The few case where it doesn't are normally attributable to other problems with the spendy campaign.

In Wisconsin, the conservatives spent enormous sums of money talking about high level worldview issues like DEI and immigration. Which is all well and good if you're in a state where that's relevant maybe? But out here in opioid infested flyover country where people were worried about losing their housing the next week, those worldview kinds of things were just dumb issues to focus so much money on.

So yeah, you can win an election against a big spender. But normally that big spender is actually so dumb and detached from the voters that what's really happening is that they're beating themselves.

[Yeul]

But isn't flyover meth country red anyway?

American politics for all intents and purposes is a very simple game.

[nielsbot]

I think (hope) there's a limit. And if things get bad enough (sadly) then people will vote for change and their own interests over those of the ownership class. Maybe that's what happened here. But I will also point out that Elon Musk is uniquely detestable. But in most elections the candidate with the most money wins. [1]

Similarly Mamdani in NYC is facing some truly awful candidates.

Someone also pointed out to me that it's not so much the money on a politician's side that sways them, but the threat of PACs et al spending a ton of money to unseat them if they don't "play ball". [2]

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

[2] https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/winning-vs-sp...