[jama211]

Your argument breaks down when you realise that doing simple operations will result in the exact same code anyway. If I want to pull the first word from a string, whether I write it myself or copy and paste it from stack overflow we’re going to likely literally result in the exact same line of code. It’s not the same as an image from google images, because that image has a far higher chance of being unique.

You can talk about how we should act and be all high and mighty all you like, but it’s just burying your head in the sand about the reality of how code is written.

Also, technically, I never said this made it perfectly ok. It’s just that it’s the reality we live in and if we got rid of everyone doing it we’d have to fire 99% of programmers.

[eschaton]

I’ve been in this industry 30+ years working for both very small companies and some of the largest. I thus have a pretty good understanding of the reality of how code is written, and you’re the one burying your head in the sand: Companies care about the provenance of what you write, and if you lie about that—whether explicitly or through omission—and it’s discovered, you’re going to be in a world of hurt since you may be exposing the company to liability and also violating your employer’s trust.

[jama211]

As a side note, the company I work for actively encourages ai use in development, and this is really quite common now.

[jama211]

You’re seriously trying to analogously solve teenage pregnancy by advocating for abstinence.

Look around. Do you see the majority of programmers getting fired for copying a line from stackoverflow or using AI?

You must either work in an ultra high security area or are so removed from the groundwork of most programming jobs that you don’t know how people do anything anymore. I’m not surprised you mentioned 30+ years, because that likely puts you squarely out of the trenches where the development is actually done.

Outside of like, the military or airplane software, companies really don’t care about provenance most of the time, their lack of processes to avoid looking into any of that are absolute PROOF of that. It’s don’t ask don’t tell out there.

You can be delusional all you like, it doesn’t change the reality of how most development is done.

Again, I didn’t say it’s a good thing, it’s just that it is reality.

[eschaton]

My last 20 years in the industry were at Apple.

[jama211]

Ahh, so you see and accept my points then.

[eschaton]

No, I think you’re only exposed to a limited portion of the industry where people play fast and loose with IP provenance and as a result develop very bad habits that need to be broken when they enter an environment that takes it seriously.

[jama211]

I think you’ll find it’s a limited portion of the industry that takes it seriously, when the vast majority don’t. You’ve worked in one place for like 20 years and it’s one of the strictest places for this stuff, can’t you see that that might bias you somewhat?