[djeastm]

>The hundreds at SpaceX are doing Apollo-level breakthrough work, and it should not in any way be minimized due to tangential Elon-hate.

You're right. It shouldn't be. And yet here we are wasting our digital breaths talking about the man. And there's really only one person responsible for that.

[foobarian]

You know what burns me about it? Like it or not, he did set the hard-driving culture of that and other companies he runs. And what's even worse, that kind of culture gets results. I think at the end of the day I just have to quietly respect it, and all the folks putting in the long hours, and be thankful that there exist companies out there that don't demand this where we can still earn a decent living.

[sneak]

Sometimes it gets results. Usually it causes brain drain and the company fails.

Don’t succumb to survivorship bias.

[monkeywork]

yup - it's the users gooseus fault.

If you're wasting your breath talking about someone, it's not on them, it's on you. We live in a world where everyone should have realized by now that attention is the most valuable currency you have ... and yet people continue to use that currency on things they claim to dislike ... I have a hard time feeling bad for them.

[Terr_]

> attention is the most valuable currency

"Grass-fed body mass is the most valuable currency", said the rancher to the fenced-in herd of beef-cows.

Nah, that's what someone with power says in order to distract you from realizing you don't actually have nearly as much. Attention has never been a good substitute for power, or thousands of years of human civilization would be very very different.

There's a fine line between stoicism and self-defeating tactics.