[cm2187]

Well, technically Pakistan shot a Indian Rafale with a Chinese made missile a few months ago, which created some consternation in France. I heard the French explaining it away, as India trying to bomb some Pakistani territory without hitting the Pakistani military, hence putting their jet fighters in unecessary harm's way. I am not qualified to draw my own conclusions on the quality of Chinese weapons but it seems to imply they can certainly do significant damage.

[slaw]

Rafale was shot down by J-10 plane using PL-15 missile. Rafale, Eurofighter and J-10 are old 20+ years designs. Europe has nothing equivalent to Chinese J-35 or even previous generation J-20.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-35

[actionfromafar]

To be fair, China doesn't have anything like the J-35 either, it's a prototype.

[cm2187]

And I hope they removed the Lockheed Martin logo from the CAD files before sending them to manufacturing!

[spwa4]

I don't think their manager will allow that, since all their aircraft designers work at Lockheed Martin during the week ...

[mcphage]

> Europe has nothing equivalent to Chinese J-35 or even previous generation J-20.

How many J-35s does China have?

[LargoLasskhyfv]

According to Wikipedia: 8+, so more than eight?

[mcphage]

That’s… not really very many.

[slaw]

8+ J-35, 1 prototype J-36, 1 prototype J-50 and 250+ J-20. Europe has nothing like that.

[cm2187]

Are you talking about manufacturing or operating? Europe has something like 225 F-35 operational right now with more coming.