[gsf_emergency_2]

By the ballot box, the less complex system of values that is the right did not lose out to the more complex system of values one may call the left. But that's not within the realm of cybernetics.

The business cycle model of yours might have be fully understandable within cybernetics, especially in the time series respect. But are we not also interested in competing/interacting "peer" systems "beyond mean field"? How Apple and Desktop Linux gained ground against MSoft by reducing fragmentation, how MSoft responded by diversifying. You might have other examples for and against?

[PaulHoule]

I'd hesitate to say the left or right has a more or less complex system. Certainly now the college educated are more attracted to the Democrats than the Republicans but that was not the case in the 1960s and as late as the 1990s some right-wing Republicans of time had a lot of influence at my Uni, they are building this structure in the name of a very right-wing head of the board of trustees in the 1990s

https://mastodon.social/@UP8/114860542662347802

Marxism is a complex system that appeals to systematizers, "anti-racism" is a little less smart and more pessimistic and has about as much appeal to noneducated minorities as Marxism has to the working class -- the rank and file's ideology is more like

https://mastodon.social/@UP8/112503020931163144

A lot of it is path dependent. I mean, Trump greased the skids for those mRNA vaccines and I remember my leftist friends saying in December 2020 that there must be something wrong about them being developed at "warp speed". Had he won it would have been leftists shunning vaccines and rightists shunning them for being stupid.

Every good paranoid believes the "pincer theory" that every social movement needs a wing that appeals to the elite (lacks manpower) and mass (lacks resources, vision, ...) to the smart and the stupid, etc.

[gsf_emergency_2]

Are Cornell still using fancy European "eco" glass? I wonder if "out-of-town glazers" mean that the glass supplier/architect was OCD about their glass getting manhandled by "outsiders". Tariffs were supposed to be the "simple" solution to fix this.

My erstwhile understanding of the earlier appeal of Marxism was that it was fully compatible with the Weberian work ethic-- right until someone found a way to work the famous laziness of the Russians into propaganda.

Now that you mention it. Simplicity can appeal to the elites as a standin for "marketability to the masses". Helps the Kessel Run. (Pincer)

(That Mormons are a significant deal in the USG hiring pipeline is not a symptom of right wing sophistication-- unless one is a conspiracy theorist)