[GuinansEyebrows]

> System's got that on lock by setting it up so the people most predisposed to fight the government are actually cheering on the new taxes

more likely, proving that this group of people never actually believed in anything.

[mindslight]

I don't see how that is a more useful model than what I said. Maybe for rallying people to oppose the current problems. But it feels like such preaching to the choir mainly serves to exacerbate the "culture war" that helps shut off people's thinking to begin with. So pushing that way might help win the immediate battle, but it also helps lose the overall war.

[GuinansEyebrows]

i don't think it contributes to the culture war to recognize that most people are not truly engaged in a collective sense, and that we are trapped within a self-reproducing system that relies on that:

"...the autocratic reign of the market economy which had acceded to an irresponsible sovereignty, and the totality of new techniques of government which accompanied this reign."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectacle_(critical_theory)

[mindslight]

That may be where you are coming from, but your original comment didn't contain anything beyond a simple smack down that is too-easily interpreted in a partisan manner.

[viridian]

One can be immersed in the behavior of the spectacle while also opposed to it. Frankly, I'd say that applies frequently to most situationists and critical theorists I've interacted with, including myself.

The fact that signposting "outgroup bad" is so psychologically rewarding, while nuanced discussions are more difficult, get less engagement from others, etc, is actually a critical reason we are where we are as a culture.

This isn't meant as a defense of or attack on GuinansEyebrows, more a self reflection of my own, similar behavior.