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by nickpinkston 303 days ago
I kind of agree with Nadia's analysis of what's happening, but it's a fucking cursed reality.

Here's hoping for a New New Sincerity to bring us back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_sincerity

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I didn't know this term but it really resonates. A general lack of seriousness in nearly everything is a defining aspect of our time, it seems.
Yea, this "lack of seriousness" really gets under my skin, and I really hope there's a broad cultural backlash to it soon, as this being the permanent culture seems toxic and exhausting.

That said, this is about the messaging aspect. Trump say could lack seriousness of rhetoric, but still be seriously pursuing his self-interests.

All for Post-postmodernism!!!
Have you seen Metamodernism?

There's an art scene and political movement:

Art (mostly): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamodernism

Movement: https://metamoderna.org/metamodernism/

It's hard to unsee metamodern in movies once you see it. I did a 'self aware waldo' monologue in high school drama class, didn't realize it was meta modern.
Can you give me an example or two?
Not a movie, but according to the wiki article linked a little further up the book “A Visit From The Goon Squad” by Jennifer Egan has metamodern qualities, and I heartily recommend reading it. It’s fantastic. The section in the format of a PowerPoint presentation about her brother that one of the main character’s daughter gives at her school is incredibly beautiful. One of my top five experiences reading.
I’ve added the book to my queue, and if you’re so inclined I’d appreciate hearing what your other four are.
A lot of modern movies are metamodern. The example on the Wikipedia is Bo Burnham's INSIDE, which is very metamodern. But I'd argue most movies are at least somewhat at this point self aware, fourth wall breaking commentary. Top Gun is an example of a modern movie - not metamodern, where there is diversity but it's not at all self aware, fourth wall breaking or commentary.
This video gives a good overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xEi8qg266g
Thank you. That's really good.

I'd say in response that he's missing (or, at least, gestures towards but doesn't explore) an element of post-modernism - at least in literary criticism, which I know more about than specifically film - which is that it's inherently a critique of power relationships. The key post-modern observation is that all narratives are deliberately constructed - in other words, someone chooses what to include and what to leave out - so Who tells a story, and Why they tell that story in that particular way, in order to advance What view of the world is instrinsic to understanding them.

Maybe we - artists, critics, and audiences alike - are generally exhausted by that right now. Politics are particularly fraught, and decades of post-modern art and thought certainly can't claim to have advanced utopia, so what we're calling meta-modernism is certainly a response, but it's closer to (my generation's rallying cry) "whatever, man", than it is advancing a solution to anything we see ailing the world at the moment.

As someone not familiar with the term, I don't really understand the concept, and Wikipedia's definition doesn't look specific enough:

> generally describes creative works that expand upon and break away from concepts of postmodernist irony and cynicism.

That basically refers to anything that is not irony and cynicism, isn't it?

Like anything in culture and art, its opaque if you dont know the context, because its all a long conversation where everything is a repsonse to something before. This i feel is a response to how irony and cynicism (which were responses to dogmatic cult like obedience) get tiring and at some point people want sincerity rather than just poking fun at thing

You know how people now hate the "umm that just happened" style of comedy writing? Its basically thay backlash. People dont want quippy remarks and tearing things down, they was genuine appreciation for things

I feel if we think about it more it might have a relarion to shamelessness. But im not so sure. Shamelessness seems to be opposite of cynicism by itself

Well said, and I really like the idea of shamelessness being in relation to earnestness and cynicism.

A lot of times the earnest promotion of an authentic belief can still come off as shameless, but the audience often still finds that mostly endearing if still cringe.

However, I feel like the "as a strategy" part of the title implies that it is not just shameless, but also mainly a cynical strategy - as in "having no shame about lying", not just " having no shame about my authentic special interest".