[refulgentis]

Saw enough comments like this with unbelievable details that I went and figured out how to see it. Here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/aEjjXcmDDaFKtivR9

We are rounding a surface street with a 45 limit to a highway at 60 and then pretend its obviously unsafe. This is obviously wrong, given the crosswalks.

Also, we have 0 idea if the child was allowed to jaywalk. We know they were on the phone with the older one at at least some point. That's all.

It's a tragedy, but, hard to get my head to the idea that its manslaughter that both parents are culpable for. As noted in coverage, it's an odd gap compared to how unsecured guns are treated.

[amluto]

> This is obviously wrong, given the crosswalks.

If you’ve marked the right spot, I count one single intersection within credible walking distance that has crosswalks at all, and it only has crosswalks in two (!) of the four places where they ought to be.

I guess that, if you happen to be at the SW corner of Lyon and W Hudson, then you’re just stuck there? There’s even a “SCHOOL” marking without a crosswalk a short distance to the south.

[refulgentis]

Lots packed in here. I don't know how to interlocute with it without being straightforward, but I'm nervous, I think you'll be upset and people will think there's more disputable here than there is and I'm just being mean. I apologize in advance.

> one single intersection

What other roads did you find that intersect that are relevant?

> within credible walking distance

Let's put some ground beneath the possible skew I may have injected by just assuming it was a credible walking distance: 2.5 minutes at 2.5 mph.

557 feet from leading edge of crosswalk to trailing edge of supermarket, via Google Maps.

Taking the 2.5mph low range for human walking speed, that's t = 557 ft / (2.5 × 5280 ft/hr) ≈ 0.04219 hr = 151.8 s = 2.5 min.

> I guess that, if you happen to be at the SW corner of Lyon and W Hudson, then you’re just stuck there?

I guess that too!

Does it obscure or shed light to talk about an unrelated path when discussing whether parents should be charged for manslaughter?

I don't like suburban traffic infrastructure either, just, think we might have gotten a bit into that in a way that makes me want to make sure we're also signalling we're not talking about the parents anymore, or at least, if we are, I want to make sure it's clear what facts we're using when talking about it, at least for the audience.

> There’s even a “SCHOOL” marking without a crosswalk a short distance to the south.

What's a SCHOOL marking?

Are you discussing the school speed limit sign?

Do SCHOOL markings or speed limit signs denote an intersection immediately adjacent to the sign / SCHOOL marking?

If not, why does this one need a crosswalk? AFAICT the limit sign is on the same side of the street as the school, with a sidewalk.

[amluto]

You said that, “given the crosswalks”, W Hudson isn’t obviously unsafe. I tried to figure out what crosswalks, plural, you were talking about.

There is one crosswalk at the E side of the intersection with Lyon. There is not a crosswalk on the W side, nor is there there one before W Hudson ends a ways to the west.

If you follow Lyon to the south, you will find the word “SCHOOL” in big letters in the road, with no associated crosswalk.

If you go east a couple thousand feet, there’s another crosswalk. Sure, a couple thousand feet is a credible distance to walk if you’re going for a walk, but it’s rather far to detour as a pedestrian to get across a street.

Okay, maybe the kids in question should have used the crosswalk at Lyon. If your mark is right, I buy that.

But this road looks awful. Suppose you’re at Southwest Jr. High and you want to go to La Bodega Food Mart or Subway. How do you get there while using crosswalks to cross major streets? The obvious locations that seem like they should have crosswalks don’t have them.

> What's a SCHOOL marking?

Check out satellite view and go south a little way on Lyon. “SCHOOL” is painted on the street. Notably, no crosswalk is painted on the street.

[refulgentis]

-1. What a great website its been here lately. Lets just make things up altogether, and damn those worryworts arguing with us: as long as it feels good, we are happy.