[aogaili]

AI will hopefully humble so of the people I work with.

The people who understand nothing about business, yet you can't talk to because they think gifted for being able to write instructions to a computer.

The people spin out new frameworks every day and make a clusterf*ck of hyped and over-engineered frameworks.

The people who took a few courses and went into programming for money..

I went into software because I enjoyed creating (coding was a means to an end), and I always thought coding was the easiest part of software development. But when I get into corporate work, I find people who preach code like religion and don't even care about what is being produced, spend thousands of hours debating syntax. What a waste of life, I knew they were stupid, and AI made sure they knew as well.

[recursive]

I'm probably one of the people you're talking about.

I'm feeling basically mostly fulfilled in life, and don't feel my life is being wasted.

I didn't understand the thing about "AI made sure they knew as well", or maybe I'm not actually who you're describing.

But I definitely get into language, syntax, frameworks, parsing, and blah blah blah.

Plenty of people still play chess. Plenty of people still run. Machine performance has surpassed humans long ago in both disciplines. Are those people stupid also?

[aogaili]

Yes, for me, it is a form of narrow intelligence. Being unable to grasp the big picture.

I don't mean this offensively; it is what it is. If you are aware of who you are, then good, but if the issue is that a lot of those are not even aware of their strength or their limitations. Just like humans got humbled with chess, AI is humbling those coders.

[recursive]

It will be coming for me some day soon I'm sure, but I'm no more humble than I was before so far. (extremely humble!!!) I don't talk about it too much on here, as it would be useless, but I haven't gotten too many positive results out of the AI-assisted coding tools. And yes, I know I'm holding it wrong.

[aogaili]

I think you are not the type I'm referring to.

But again for me, the appeal for software was creativity. Our ability to shape ideas and experiences.

I never cared about proving my intelligence or arguing about syntax. If the code is maintainable, readable, and works, all good. But I corporate, I was debating over PRs, mostly subjective opinions, a form of intellectual game..

And the issue, discussion is all about convention and trivialities..

[acoustics]

Interestingly, a lot of the engineers I know are hoping for the exact opposite. They're hoping that AI will humble the business, management, product types.

The way they see it, AI can easily shit out a hundred product concepts, market research, slide decks, sales emails, reports, etc. No need to bring on MBAs or self-proclaimed visionaries or LinkedIn gurus.

I think both camps will be disappointed. The engineers will be disappointed that they'll still need vapid business/product people to keep them pointed at projects that will actually put food on the table. The business/product people will be disappointed that they'll still need sanctimonious engineers to make anything actually work.

[jononor]

Yeah many have their favorite gripes with $TheOthers, and hoping that the AI will solve them. It won't - not because AI isn't good, but because the people involved will quickly adapt. Likely making new annoying behaviors, and probably many will adapt to find new things to be annoyed at also.

[aogaili]

Well, real business is more than slides and content, just like real product development is more than coding.

Yeah, those who were creating sophisticated business models on Excel, fancy slides, etc, yeah, they will also get humbled.

[adidoit]

I wouldn't put too much hope into this because now, AI can help these people go from really vague thoughts to something that sounds even more fluent.

My sense is we really have to raise everyone's critical thinking abilities in order to spot bullshit.