[exfil]

These VPN's for privacy are so bad. You give your credit card (verified identity), default gateway and payload to foreign soil and feel safe. On top of that your packets clear text metadata verifies you with cryptographic accuracy.

In today's internet you just cannot have exit IP which is not tied either into your identity, payment information or physical location. And don't even mention TOR, pls.

[MagicalTux]

You're welcome to use cryptocurrencies (we have a page for that), and our system only links your identity at connection time to ensure you have a valid subscription. Your traffic isn't tied to your identity, and you can look at the code to verify that.

[exfil]

You cannot offer service for money with user anonymity. Your legal knows that.

[OsrsNeedsf2P]

Cryptocurrencies? Aka the least private form of transactions, where not only the sender and receiver know, but the whole block chain immutably stores for everyone else to view?

[rasengan]

> Cryptocurrencies? Aka the least private form of transactions, where not only the sender and receiver know, but the whole block chain immutably stores for everyone else to view?

There are cryptocurrencies like ZCash, Monero, Zano, Freedom Dollar, etc. that are sufficiently private.

[kwanbix]

So what do you suggest instead?

[lcnPylGDnU4H9OF]

Semi-serious: redeemable codes you can buy at a national retail chain, ostensibly using cash. It has the unfortunate side effect of training people to fall for scams, however. Bonus points if you can somehow make the codes worthless on the black market, I guess.

[tavavex]

Some VPNs kind of offer that. I know at least one that sells physical redeemable cards you can buy - maybe physically in some countries, but in mine it's only available on Amazon. Even that option should be safe for keeping your identifying data from the VPN provider, even in the situation where they betray their promises on not holding onto your data. This is because Amazon can't know which exact code was sent out to you, and the provider in turn doesn't have any additional info to associate with that code, besides knowing if it's valid or not. The biggest downside is that now Amazon knows you paid for this service, even if they don't know the specifics.

There's also an option to just mail them cash, but some countries may seize all mailed cash if discovered.

[akimbostrawman]

cryptocurrency != bitcoin. monero has solved this issue for almost a decade.

[thrown-0825]

they just got exploited a few days ago

[akimbostrawman]

they did not. the attack did not change anything about the privacy and anonymity. it isn't even an exploit, its simply using tens of million of dollar in mining costs to try doing a 51% attack and spread FUD which worked on you.

this isn't reddit. if you are trying to act like a know it all at least do basic research.

[thrown-0825]

a 51% attack poc is successfully executed and you call it FUD lmao.

crypto rubes are hilarious.

[victorbjorklund]

Mullvad VPN allows you to pay with cash in an envelop with no name etc

[exfil]

Yes. But your cash gets attributed by your origin IP address. Which you pay with your identity available.

[jcgl]

No? You put in a/your randomly generated account number for attribution.

[exfil]

Where you connect to your "cash obtained" VPN? That IP has your name on it.

[jcgl]

That’s a totally different problem than what you were saying before. This problem is one inherent to VPN technology writ large.

[vaylian]

> And don't even mention TOR, pls.

What's your issue with tor?