[jacob2161]

I believe this isn't as much of a problem as it appears to be at first glance because of the scale of social apps like Bluesky.

For example, Wikipedia generates >$180M/yr just by running ads for itself requesting donations. Requesting donations is the least effective monetizing strategy and yet it still works because of scale.

Donations would probably work but Bluesky has additional options. They could create a premium app for power users that just adds nice-to-have features (which may cost real money to provide and maintain), they can resell domain names, they can sell merch, etc.

Bluesky doesn't need to generate billions of dollars to be highly sustainable and profitable. It was built and scaled with fewer than 20 full time employees.

The most important and most difficult part is getting to sufficient scale, and that's mostly a matter of just making the app even better than it is today.

I posted a bit about this here: https://bsky.app/profile/jacob.gold/post/3lr5j6o7emk2t

[isodev]

> Bluesky doesn't need to generate billions of dollars

Are you sure their investors share this vision?

[jacob2161]

1. I believe they actually could generate (low) billions of dollars without compromising at all, if they manage to reach true mainstream scale (>1 billion MAUs)

2. I really don't care if the investors/shareholders are disappointed as long as the PBC's mission is fulfilled. Also their control is relatively limited.

Maybe I should have written added this:

Disclaimer: I am a shareholder in Bluesky Social, PBC (former employee)

[ijustlovemath]

Aren't they at ~10M MAU and falling? At least that's the impression given by https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

[jacob2161]

Yeah, I'd love to see growth improve but Bluesky is already in an exclusive club of social apps that have "broken through" in some significant way. It's not going anywhere.

And it's the only open network built on an open protocol to ever do so.

[ijustlovemath]

the open network aspect is extremely cool, but it's hard to take seriously considering how difficult it seems to be to set up an alternate host. I do love the idea that you can just build an entirely new UX and bring the social graph for free!

[cmxch]

Not open, just ideologically optimized.

[cmxch]

Open only to the ideologically favored.

[uwemaurer]

Here are more detailed stats:

https://bluefacts.app/bluesky-user-growth

[toomuchtodo]

Investors might get soaked, such is the risk of capital investment. Everything built on AT Protocol would survive.

[Jensson]

> Everything built on AT Protocol would survive.

Will it? How much of that doesn't run on investor backed servers today? People often say stuff like this but I haven't seen that work in practice.

[skybrian]

Yeah, that’s more of a hope about the future. It’s up to other people to build it.

I’ve seen posts about some poorly-publicized, proof-of-concept alternative implementations that would probably fall over if they got real attention, but I think that shows that it’s not a problem with the protocol itself.

Good enough, as far as I’m concerned. It’s just about posting comments on the Internet, not bank accounts. If something went fatally wrong, we would move again, just like we moved off previous social networks.

[krainboltgreene]

> such is the risk of capital investment

Everyone says that right up until they read the news where the US Government bails those investors out.

[toomuchtodo]

It is highly unlikely the US gov bails Bluesky investors out, and I wouldn’t care if they did. $36M raised to date is couch cushion money.

[hinkley]

It’s also possible to run an annual event that makes a profit. Which might be something a social network could figure out.

The first club I belonged to as a teenager worked this way. In lieu of high membership dues there was volunteer time spent helping out at or before the event. I was surprised as an adult to learn that some events lose money or only break even.

[extraduder_ire]

Their largest operating income thus-far has been from selling two batches of t-shirts. Alongside some minor affiliate revenue from sending people to a domain registrar which they don't advertise anywhere prominent. (all handles are domain names, getting one that doesn't end in .bsky.social means getting one elsewhere)

[Onavo]

They better start putting together an avant garde Blue Sky art gallery then. Real estate in NYC and SF aren't cheap.

[hinkley]

Which means this is going to end badly. A non profit version would be better off headquartered somewhere lower rent.

[onionisafruit]

How about an annual pancake breakfast at the fire station like the local scouts do?

[Suppafly]

>For example, Wikipedia generates >$180M/yr just by running ads for itself requesting donations. Requesting donations is the least effective monetizing strategy and yet it still works because of scale.

Plus most of that goes towards other wikimedia projects, wikipedia itself despite being huge and used by most of the internet costs a fraction of that to run yearly.